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Old 10-17-2005, 05:05 PM   #1
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Now is the time, you see, after all, to be rid of Turgon. With the armies of Gondolin released early, Idril, Glorfindel, Ecthelion and possibly Maeglin will lead them into the Bragollach. Such a force may be able to turn the tide of battle and maintain the Siege of Angband, or at least bring about a draw and save the lands of Men. Besides, with so many Balrog-slayers deployed, Gothmog himself may be struck down, avenging Feanor...

Let the vacillitating, authoritarian selfish lump of tapioca that is Turgon return to his beloved Ulmo, and perhaps the Elves under his undeserving rule will show their mettle. Gondolin will also serve as a refuge for human women and children. If an Elven army could get back there after the Nirnaeth undetected, why should the watchful Elves not be able to guide refugees out of danger?

Should the Outlaws of Dorthonion be forced to fight their lonely resistance, the aid of Gondolin will be incomparable help. And the only thing in the way is Turgon. Turgon the Cautious. Turgon the Stubborn. Turgon the Obtuse.

Turgon the Traitor.
Fascinating argument. I want to see how this works.

++TURGON

But, fair warning, I'm going for Morgoth or Mandos as soon as I can.
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Old 10-17-2005, 05:35 PM   #2
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I want to see how this works.
Er - probably exactly the way that Anguirel stated it ...

Pardon me for trying to inject a spark of controversy into this thread but doesn't this all become rather, um, predictable if we vote exactly the way that the AngMod wants us to every day ...

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But, fair warning, I'm going for Morgoth or Mandos as soon as I can.
You may not get another crack at Morgoth - at least for a while.
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Old 10-17-2005, 05:49 PM   #3
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Er - probably exactly the way that Anguirel stated it ...

Pardon me for trying to inject a spark of controversy into this thread but doesn't this all become rather, um, predictable if we vote exactly the way that the AngMod wants us to every day ...

You may not get another crack at Morgoth - at least for a while.
I'm thinking downstream, with the Idril as ruler of Gondolin and Maeglin vs Tuor.

I'm willing to wait on Morgoth. Really, I'd like to get rid of the Doom of Mandos first and see if we can't get the Eldar and Edain to unite and defeat him on their own since it appears that uncanonical events are permitted.
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Old 10-18-2005, 12:06 AM   #4
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Sauron-1
Morgoth-3
Turgon-5

Turgon, thou hast fallen! Voting closed. Results up soon.
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Old 10-18-2005, 12:32 AM   #5
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You know, I haven't been on winning side one single time so far. Maybe I'll vote with Ang next time? On second thought NO, I'll make this the task of my life, DOWN WITH THE MOD!
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Old 10-18-2005, 01:01 AM   #6
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RESULTS OF DAY THREE (M-e)

One afternoon, Turgon happened to be strolling on the ramparts of Gondolin with Glorfindel and Ecthelion.

They described his fall in awed tones. "He just...sort of slipped...it was dreadful..."

Both happened to be anti-isolationism.

Later on, two riders were admitted-the lost Lady Aredhel, and an unknown, tall, handsome Sinda, whose face was her very image...and yet not...

They were followed by another mounted Sinda-Eol, the Dark Elf. He demanded the return of his wife and son. The new Queen Idril claimed them as her King, and him also. He insisted on returning with them. A compromise was reached by Idril's wisdom. Eol returned to Nan Elmoth, Aredhel remained at Gondolin; and Maeglin went between them, spending half a year at each; and while at Gondolin, proved a shrewd adviser...

~~~

RESULTS OF THE CHALLENGE

Now Morgoth's army presented itself, the largest that had yet been gathered. Sauron commanded the left wing, Gothmog the right; Eonwe and Curunir held the centre. Its vast power's greatest element was the fire of Glaurung; and as no Dwarves had come to the battle, it was nigh on impossible to resist.

In that fell hour were slain Aegnor and Amras, last of the expendable princes of the Noldor, to the Dragon's might; and it seemed that the host of the Noldor must break. Finrod was caught in a circle of foes, though rescued by Barahir's folk at great cost.

But a few warriors of Gondolin-three, in fact-had crept unnoticed to join the battle in the train of Fingon. Idril, Ecthelion, and Maeglin they were. And they caused some bitterness in Morgoth's triumph.

For Idril struck down Curunir the Subtle, and his spirit was dispersed. And Ecthelion in the midst of combat sought out Gothmog, with his Troll-guard occupied with the sons of Feanor, avenging their brother, and Ecthelion pierced the foul captain's heart, though he himself was immolated in its ruin. As for Maeglin, he drew his sword of star-metal Anguirel and set upon Glaurung.

Long was their struggle, inconclusive its end. Maeglin was sore wounded by fire, and was carried out of the fray by Idril; but the dragon Glaurung, afraid and hurt, retreated from the battle.

But still the numbers of Morgoth prevailed; and the Elves retreated, their lands, and those of Dorthonion, in ruins. Fingolfin defied Morgoth, and fought with him to the last; but he was conquered, and with no Eagles about his body was despoiled. Finarfin was shot down as he fled...

Dor-Lomin and Brethil had been saved, but of Dorthonion only outlaws remained, the houseless women and children being spirited into Gondolin or sent to Dor-Lomin or Brethil.

The contestants:

Tribes

VALAR

Elbereth
Ulmo
Mandos, Doom of

NOLDOR

Maedhros
Maglor
Celegorm
Celebrimbor
Caranthir
Curufin
Fingon
Idril
Aredhel
Maeglin
Finrod
Orodreth

TELERI/SINDAR

Olwe
Thingol
Celeborn
Galadriel
Mablung
Beleg
Daeron
Eol

MAIA/ELF

Luthien

MAIA

Melian
Uinen
Huan
Tilion (with Moon)
Arien (with Sun)

DWARVES

Azaghal of Belegost
Telchar of Nogrod
Mim the Petty-dwarf
Khim
Ibun

MEN

Barahir
Beren
Hador
Galdor
Halmir
Haldir

FORCES OF EVIL

Morgoth
Sauron
Eonwe
Draugluin
Glaurung

It's Day Four in Middle-earth. The fourth task is: MESALLIANCE. Without ejecting Beren or Luthien, make their marriage as difficult as possible to achieve.

EDIT: Decided not to kill Eonwe. Seemed like overdoing it...
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Old 10-18-2005, 02:16 AM   #7
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Lovely write-up.

But oh, you wicked AngMod. The best way I can see to achieve the challenge is to evict Melian, but what ghastly can of worms will that open up?
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Old 10-18-2005, 03:39 AM   #8
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Old 10-18-2005, 04:43 AM   #9
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It's Day Four in Middle-earth. The fourth task is: MESALLIANCE. Without ejecting Beren or Luthien, make their marriage as difficult as possible to achieve.
Cruel, cruel Ang-mod. What did Beren and Luthien ever do to you?

It might make things more difficult if Morgoth goes. I'm assuming that Beren still has to get the Silmarils or accomplish some sort of task to marry her. If Morgoth takes them to the Void those Silmarils would be pretty hard to find. Or, if the sons of Feanor reclaim them, he might not have a task at all and could just be sent home by ole Thingy.

Beren: Please, can I marry your daughter?
Thingy: Prove your worth.
Beren: Name the task. I shall be victorious.
Thingy: Can't think of a thing for you to do. Sorry, go away.
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Old 10-18-2005, 06:26 AM   #10
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I reassure you (sort of) that whatever you do, you will probably not succeed in stopping the marriage of Beren and Luthien. I do realise that my Celegorm/Luthien wish is pretty unfeasible, and Beren and Luthien (unless you're especially ingenious!) will end up together.

You can't have the Silmarillion without the Silmarils, so if Morgoth were to be evicted, they would not follow him. I have a fate planned for them actually in such a case, but let's keep it a surprise...
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