The Silmarillion Survivor

[Anguirel]

Clarification-the sons of Uldor and the sons of Bor are both single entities for the purposes of voting. If you eject Uldor, Ulwarth and the rest go too, for instance.

Partly out of perversity, I feel a need to set up an altrenative candidate. Of course Morgoth's army has to be weakened, and Uldor and the other traitorous brothers are an obvious option.

However, it was not the treachery men which meant that the Union of Maedhros was destined to end in defeat. No; a darker power lay behind it.

The time has come to finally be rid of ++MANDOS, THE DOOM OF, which will allow great Noldo leaders like the High King Maedhros, Fingon and Maeglin, Prince of Gondolin, to show their quality...

[Lalaith]

What's the deadline today, O AngMod the Great?

[Anguirel]

Weeell...it depends. Probably tomorrow morning, 7:30am; I was hoping to squeeze in another Day but time is too short now I think. So this challenge will be the last before the pause. The aftermath of the Nirnaeth changes everything, will kill off an unprecedented number of contestants and seems a suitable point for the interval.

So, yup, I've persuaded myself. 7:30 am tomorrow.

Votes so far

Uldor-4
Mandos, the Doom of-1

[Lalaith]

Ok, here's an idea, what about Azaghal of Belegost?
If we evict him, he doesn't wound Glaurung and drive him off the battlefield, so Glaurung gets to kill more of the host of elves, elf-friends and dwarves. And also, if he isn't slain, then the dwarves don't do their dirge-singing, bearing away the body of their slain leader from the battlefield thing - I know that was a pretty cool scene but if they stay and fight for a bit longer then more of the host of Morgoth will be slain.
Plus we haven't evicted any dwarves yet.
++Azaghal

[Eonwe]

i thought of that. another would be hurin or huor, for allowing the armies of gondolin to escape. if we take him out, maybe gondolin will have to make a last stand...

ill go with ++HURIN, as much as it freaking galls me.

[Lalaith]

*glares at Eonwe*
You leave my daddy alone, you hear?

[Anguirel]

Lalaith, one problem with your idea is that without Azaghal-who owes Maedhros a life-debt-to lead them, will the folk of Belegost even turn up?

And Eonwe, I can't really see your reasoning at all. Hurin was the absolute bulwark of the Elven/Human front-line. Ejecting him would probably be the second-most damaging thing you could do to the Forces of Good, second only to evicting the even greater warrior and general Maedhros...

The only explanation is that, true to your new position as Morgoth's lieutenant, you're working to make his victory still more absolute!

I still say vote to drive off the nasty old Doom...

[Celuien]

Originally Posted by Anguirel

Clarification-the sons of Uldor and the sons of Bor are both single entities for the purposes of voting. If you eject Uldor, Ulwarth and the rest go too, for instance.

Partly out of perversity, I feel a need to set up an altrenative candidate. Of course Morgoth's army has to be weakened, and Uldor and the other traitorous brothers are an obvious option.

However, it was not the treachery men which meant that the Union of Maedhros was destined to end in defeat. No; a darker power lay behind it.

The time has come to finally be rid of ++MANDOS, THE DOOM OF, which will allow great Noldo leaders like the High King Maedhros, Fingon and Maeglin, Prince of Gondolin, to show their quality...

My chance to get rid of the Doom of Mandos has come at last if the pattern of Ang-mod victories continues!

--ULDOR
++MANDOS, DOOM OF

An entirely unfair sanction against the great Noldor tribe. They don't deserve this persecution.

[Anguirel]

Uldor-3
Mandos, Doom of-2
Azaghal-1
Hurin-1

Gothmog-my interpretation of the Doom is not that it physically saps Noldorin strength, but that it ultimately thwarts Noldorin enterprises. With the Doom present, the Union of Maedhros, for instance, cannot succeed in its aims of, er, unity and defiance of Morgoth. There are also side products like Maeglin's love for Idril, and possiblly vice-versa. Whether that will go with the Doom, I leave you to speculate...as I also leave you to wonder what the state of Idril's feelings have been tending Maeglin's Dragon-wounds. That sub-plot has been put aside, but I'll reveal its result next write-up. Not a happy one...

[Tuor of Gondolin]

I've got to go with
+ + Glaurung

With him the bad guys won a narrow, hard-fought victory. Without him, but with other, more immature, dragons, the dwarves might have stayed on the field and helped with a rather bloody draw. Bad guys pushed back to the gates of Angband
with the help of the dwarves and Gondolin but both sides severely weakened.

[arcticstorm]

Here is my take on this challenge
first of all, Maedhros is still held captive my Morgoth, he will probably be the one killed to draw the armies into battle prematurely. Second, we do not have an alliance with the dwarves, so they will probably not come. THird, THingol has nothing against the Noldor, so he will be there. So in light of all this, I say to maximize casualties on both sides, we need to get rid of the accused traitor who will turn on the elves making it a complete slaughter and minimiae the casualties of the forces of Melkor.
++Uldor

[Anguirel]

arctic:

Maedhros was rescued in a write-up ages ago by Fingon, Celegorm and Huan

Azaghal owes Maedhros a life-debt; Telchar has a trading interest with Curufin but may not risk his life to defend it

Thingol does have something against the Sons of Feanor, who are leading the coalition: Celegorm and Curufin attacked his daughter, and the brothers are angry with him for keeping a Silmaril from them...

Sorry, don't mean to be so crushing!

[Gothmog]

For all Anguirel said, Uldor is a good choice, arcticstorm. Read the earlier posts and I'm sure you'll find no reason to change your vote. Good choice but wrong reasons

Anguirel:

That sub-plot has been put aside, but I'll reveal its result next write-up. Not a happy one...

Why am I not surprised? Come on, leave Idril alone. She's a lovely lass and her once-to-be boyfriend is the only one who deserves her.

Celuien:

My chance to get rid of the Doom of Mandos has come at last if the pattern of Ang-mod victories continues!

Don't let that man win again! Lets change this pattern of victories. Doom of Mandos will go eventually. For this one time, let me be on the winning side! I'm going so desperate I'll start voting for Anguirels alternatives soon. (ok, I voted for Huan but apart from that.)