TOL-IN-GAURHOTH XII, Erbar Telamarth

[Estelyn Telcontar]

I looked up the "Erbar Telamarth" a few days ago and found Quenya word elements, IIRC, but couldn't really make sense of the combination. Will you explain please, phantom?

What I would like to know, since I'm a newbie just learning how this game goes, is why the wolves chose their victims. Did you know Firefoot was the Seer? If so, what did you see that I didn't? Didn't Boromir fool you with his ruse like he did me and others?

morm, though I hated to see the wolves get you the last night, I am grateful that they didn't go for Underhill! How would we have been able to find out a new wolf?! The past voting record and comments would have been no help at all.

Cross-posted with Boro: Sure, now I know you told the truth, but be honest - had you been a wolf, wouldn't you have said exactly the same things?!

[Boromir88]

What I would like to know, since I'm a newbie just learning how this game goes, is why the wolves chose their victims. Did you know Firefoot was the Seer? If so, what did you see that I didn't? Didn't Boromir fool you with his ruse like he did me and others?

I'd be interested in hearing how Enca spotted Firefoot too. I honestly had no clue, or idea, Firefoot was the Seer.

[the guy who be short]

I'm pretty sure Firefoot was just killed off for being a known innocent - same as LMP and mormegil. It was just our rotten luck that two of them were gifteds.

People ask why I commited suicide... Well...

Firstly, I worked out that double lynchings would help our chances of winning. Halway through my last Day, I was also suddenly struck by the fact that Boro was completely innocent because of the Sauce comment - I couldn't imagine a wolf ever being so careless.

So, I knew Esty, morm and Boro were innocent. I suspected Enca, Fea and Mr U. If you look at my suicide posts, you'll notice I had made very clear demands pertaining to my death:

Now here's the deal. I'm willing to be double lynched, but toDay is our last Day with mormian input. After that, there are no known innocents.

So, I'm willing to be lynched, on these conditions:

Esty and mormegil are recognised as innocents.

Encaitare is lynched with me.

If Enca is not a wolf, Fea and Boro are lynched next Day, with Esty as the final voter, if she can manage this.

After this, I suddenly realised Boro's innocence thanks to a Mr U post, and swapped the two around:

If Enca is not a wolf, on Day Two, please lynch: Feanor, Mr Underhill. Esty should be the one keeping her vote til the end, as I trust her most out of all of you, minus morm, who would die in the Night.

The way I saw it, the village had nothing to lose as long as it stuck to my plan. By killing myself, people could see I had honest intentions and go along with what I said.

Unfortunately, knuckleheads that you all are, you screwed it up and killed Boro. Though Encai was still my top suspect, I could just see a wolfy Mr U winning the game...

In any case, if the village had listened to me, we'd have won a Day earlier.

In conclusion, I've forgotten the point I was trying to make.

Thank you for listening.

[littlemanpoet]

Originally Posted by the guy who be short

I'm pretty sure Firefoot was just killed off for being a known innocent - same as LMP and mormegil. It was just our rotten luck that two of them were gifteds.

Your certainty at the beginning of Day 2 began to look to me like werewolvery. I was going to be all after you on Day 3. In fact, Mr. U's case against you on - what - Day 5, was precisely what I had been ready to present on Day 3.

People ask why I commited suicide... Well...

Firstly, I worked out that double lynchings would help our chances of winning.

I continue to be against multiple lynchings. Here's why: all the mathematical working out you do cannot account for the additional days of discussion rendered by only lynching one victim per Day. The discussions and analysis, and give and take all add up to more chances for a werewolf to slip up or vote in a way that reveals at least suspicion, if not guilt. And as you later pointed out in the post I'm quoting, your conditions were not followed, and therefore your outcome was anything but assured; which of course is completely to be expected in the dynamics of a game like this.

Oh, and I'm against suicides. It's the easy way out, like multiple lynchings. So there's a good reason to keep the cobbler, or at least the suggestion of a cobbler's existence, in the game.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I'd be interested in hearing how Enca spotted Firefoot too. I honestly had no clue, or idea, Firefoot was the Seer.

My guess is they were systematically killing the 3 known innocents off one by one in order of least suspicion. For example nobody suspected LMP of being guilty and therefore he was the first to go. I was the most plausible of the three to be a wolf therefore I was last. It was somewhat unfortunate that it was Firefoot and not another that voted for Cailin.

Speaking of Firefoot, this is her second time at being a seer and I think she played brilliant. Before she died she left us sufficient clues to know who she dreamt of and who she didn't though Boromir was a bit ambiguous but I believe that was out of necessity. It's a difficult role to play and she did it very well.

Ah now I lament that I couldn't trust Mister Underhill sooner though because the day we lynched Formendacil I wanted to do a double lynching of Enca too but I didn't dare speak my thoughts openly to anybody I just had to hope and wait.

[Boromir88]

I basically had the same reasoning with tgwbs, as far as suicidal. I thought if I was going to attract this much doubt and suspicion, just get me out of the way and leave it up to the "knuckleheads" to catch the last wolf. Which they did. Congrats.

[Mister Underhill]

It's fascinating how even an innocent can look guilty as sin when viewed in the right light. Sorry, Fea and Shorty. I don't think I could ever be a trial lawyer -- sorry, loyer -- I couldn't live with the uncertainty, even when it's only that last little 1% of doubt.

The game is quite interesting strategy-wise, too. You have to look suspicious enough that the wolves want to keep you alive, but not so suspicious that your fellows lynch you. I lucked out a little bit in that regard, I reckon, with some blundering early moves.

That second-to-last day was a disaster, and credit to Enca for creating such confusion without completely giving herself away. I was so mixed up that night that I probably could have been talked into casting a vote for myself. When it was all over I was sitting at my computer wondering how I ended up lynching Shorty/Boro when my top suspects most of the day had been Enca/Fea. To my dying day I'll never understand the suicide votes -- I was convinced one of you was running the ultimate bold bluff.

Firefoot voted for two wolves in three votes; I assumed that's why she got mauled. Nice job, Fire, in leaving clues that could be deciphered after your demise.

[Gurthang]

++the phantom

For Best Moderator ever. Seriously, that was some pretty awesome narration.

Oh, and lynch

++the phantom

for dragging it out so long and trying to kill us with all the suspense.

Excellent game everyone.

[the phantom]

Seer: Firefoot
Ranger: littlemanpoet
Hunter: Eomer of the Rohirrim
Wolves: Cailin, Formendacil, Encaitare
Cursed: Mister Underhill

NIGHT ONE
Seer Dream: mormegil

DAY ONE
Hunter Pick: Cailin (a Wolf)
Lynch: Anguirel

NIGHT TWO
Seer Dream: Boromir88
Ranger Protect: mormegil
Hunter Pick: Cailin (a Wolf)
Wolf Kill: Eomer of the Rohirrim (the Hunter, takes Cailin the Wolf with him)

DAY TWO
Lynch: Shelob

NIGHT THREE
Seer Dream: Mister Underhill (the Cursed)
Ranger Protect: Boromir88
Wolf Kill: littlemanpoet (the Ranger)

DAY THREE
Lynch: Formendacil (a Wolf), Lhunardawen

NIGHT FOUR
Seer Dream: Encaitare (a Wolf)
Wolf Kill: Firefoot (the Seer)

DAY FOUR
Lynch: Boromir88, the guy who be short

NIGHT FIVE
Wolf Pick: mormegil

DAY FIVE
Lynch: Feanor of the Peredhil, Encaitare (final Wolf)

VILLAGERS WIN

SURVIVORS
Mister Underhill and Estelyn Telcontar

[the phantom]

I looked up the "Erbar Telamarth" a few days ago and found Quenya word elements

Yep.

That's all Erbar Telamarth is- a combination of certain word elements.

The definitions of the elements tell, in a vague and general sense, what the village was.

[littlemanpoet]

Originally Posted by mormegil

Ah now I lament that I couldn't trust Mister Underhill sooner though because the day we lynched Formendacil I wanted to do a double lynching of Enca too but I didn't dare speak my thoughts openly to anybody I just had to hope and wait.

Ah but you could have trusted him sooner. On Day 3 I was going to point out an additional factor in Cailin's now infamous slip-up post in which she suggested that the werewolves were experienced. I found this interesting, and seeing as it was part of the same paragraph that had pointed her out to me as a werewolf, I decided to hypothesize that Esty and Mr. U. were both innocent ordinaries, and see where that would lead me. It led to strong suspicions of Guy, Formy, and Encai, in that order. I wasn't sure which of those three were the two remaining werewolves, but I was pretty convinced that two of these were the ones. Enca's vote on Day 1 incriminated her: she saved Cailin. What about bluffing and double bluffing? Well, Occam's Razor is a handy tool: accept the simplest answer that successfully accounts for all of the information. Fact: Encai did save Cailin (not Anguirel). On Day 2, Encai defended me and Mr. U., which I discounted based on my innocence and the hypothesized innocence of Mr. U. Formy defended Guy, which placed Guy in suspicion with me. Guy defended Enca. And Formy kept voting for Mr. U., whom I thought to be innocent. And Boromir kept voting for Formy, which fit my hypothesis of Boro's innocence and Formy's guilt. But I was going to save my strongest attack for Guy, because so much of what he said on Day 2 was self-incriminating. Oh well, maybe I'll last longer in another game.