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Anguirel · 10-31-2005, 04:32 AM

RESULTS OF DAY NINE (M-e)

Orodreth was patrolling the Guarded Plain one day when he stumbled on a cunningly constructed Orc trap laid by one of his scouts. Poisoned barbs ended his fairly lacklustre career as King of Nargothrond.

Finduilas claimed the throne, persuaded by her friends at court, but the nobles of Nargothrond were uncertain. One law dictated that the King's eldest child should succeed him; another that the oldest line should rule, which was in favour of Galadriel, as Finrod Felagund's sister. A third law, upheld in times of crisis, barred females from the throne, in which case Ereinion was the clear heir, but he was away in the west, and besides still young. Celebrimbor was proposed instead, an Elf of the most royal blood and and great skill.

Maedhros, as High King of the Noldor, was called in to decide. Maglor advised him to choose Celebrimbor, whose good character and ability he valued, and Maedhros too was about to judge Celebrimbor worthy; but Celegorm, who despised his nephew and yearned to avenge his brother Curufin, had another plan. He made a deal with Galadriel, power-hungry as ever; if she were given the crown, she would use her influence to persuade Olwe to ally with Celegorm and attack Dior. She agreed; and so Maedhros was persuaded to crown Galadriel Queen of Nargothrond, much to Finduilas's anger...

RESULTS OF THE CHALLENGE

Embittered by the utter destruction of his race, Mim betrayed Turin to the Orcs of Morgoth, but the human was too much for his captors, slaying several with his bare hands before he reclaimed his sword, killed half-a-dozen enemies in a stroke, and made his escape. It was then that he met the wretched Gwindor, who had also eluded Morgoth, and they made their way to Nargothrond. Finduilas, angry with the establishment for rejecting her claim, soon fell for the stormy, dangerous human outlaw, abandoning Gwindor; but Turin had eyes only for the Queen, Galadriel, whom he served fanatically. Celeborn was still at Olwe's side...and Galadriel was tempted, but did not yet succumb...

Contestants and challenge coming up later.

Anguirel · 10-31-2005, 07:48 AM

It's Day Ten in Middle-earth. The contestants:

Tribes

VALAR

Elbereth
Ulmo
Mandos, Doom of

NOLDOR

Maedhros
Maglor
Celegorm
Celebrimbor
Ereinion
Galadriel
Idril
Maeglin
Finduilas
Gwindor

TELERI/SINDAR

Olwe
Celeborn
Mablung

MAIA

Melian
Uinen
Arien (with Sun)

DWARVES

Telchar of Nogrod (incidentally, probably by now a different character. But with the same name. Like Durin the Deathless...)
Mim the Petty-dwarf

MEN

Dior
Hurin
Tuor
Morwen
Turin
Nienor
Brandir

FORCES OF EVIL

Morgoth
Sauron
Glaurung
Ancalagon (adolescent...)
Morgoth, Curse of

Challenge the tenth: PLANNING PERMISSION. Without evicting Turin, try to stop the building of the bridge over the Narog.

Sorry this is so late. Chaotic morning.

arcticstorm · 10-31-2005, 08:31 AM

hmm, the moderator gives us an interesting challenge, if these were men instead of elves I would suggest Arien again, but as elves love the starlight it may only slow them down a little, but everything will still be built. We need to keep GWindor, and maybe find a way to get him more clout in the royal court, hmm, maybe if we remove Celeborn, Gwindor and the Queen will be nutually turned to eachother, that could remove the bridge building, but at the same point, it could backfire on us, if Turin and Galadriel turn to eachother.

Tuor of Gondolin · 10-31-2005, 09:24 AM

Who runs Nargothrond if Finduilas is removed?
Without her backing would the bridge be built and/or
The Black Sword stay in Nargothrond?

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-31-2005, 10:48 AM

Could be time to evict Morwen, so that Turin heads north out of concern for his sister. That would certainly lessen his impact on startegy and planning decisions within Nargothrond.

(Sorry Lalaith.

)

Tuor in Gondolin · 10-31-2005, 11:06 AM

Sound reasoning by SpM:

So: + + Morwen

Gothmog · 10-31-2005, 11:13 AM

If we evict Galadriel, would Turin leave Nargothrond? Maybe ha can't stand being around the place his loved lived when she's not around anymore? Whatever we do, to get Turin out of the place is a good idea... If he's gone, people will listen to Gwindor and the warnings of Gelmir and Arminas. Wait, that warning came to late after the bridge was built... Would a destruction of the bridge complete the task?

Anyway, how we're going to get Turin from Nargothrond with his big crush on the ruler there is a mystery to me. Therefore I nominate Galadriel as one alternative.

mormegil · 10-31-2005, 11:16 AM

If the curse of Morgoth goes many Turin related problems are bound to go away

++Curse of Morgoth

10-31-2005, 04:32 AM	#1
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	RESULTS OF DAY NINE (M-e) Orodreth was patrolling the Guarded Plain one day when he stumbled on a cunningly constructed Orc trap laid by one of his scouts. Poisoned barbs ended his fairly lacklustre career as King of Nargothrond. Finduilas claimed the throne, persuaded by her friends at court, but the nobles of Nargothrond were uncertain. One law dictated that the King's eldest child should succeed him; another that the oldest line should rule, which was in favour of Galadriel, as Finrod Felagund's sister. A third law, upheld in times of crisis, barred females from the throne, in which case Ereinion was the clear heir, but he was away in the west, and besides still young. Celebrimbor was proposed instead, an Elf of the most royal blood and and great skill. Maedhros, as High King of the Noldor, was called in to decide. Maglor advised him to choose Celebrimbor, whose good character and ability he valued, and Maedhros too was about to judge Celebrimbor worthy; but Celegorm, who despised his nephew and yearned to avenge his brother Curufin, had another plan. He made a deal with Galadriel, power-hungry as ever; if she were given the crown, she would use her influence to persuade Olwe to ally with Celegorm and attack Dior. She agreed; and so Maedhros was persuaded to crown Galadriel Queen of Nargothrond, much to Finduilas's anger... RESULTS OF THE CHALLENGE Embittered by the utter destruction of his race, Mim betrayed Turin to the Orcs of Morgoth, but the human was too much for his captors, slaying several with his bare hands before he reclaimed his sword, killed half-a-dozen enemies in a stroke, and made his escape. It was then that he met the wretched Gwindor, who had also eluded Morgoth, and they made their way to Nargothrond. Finduilas, angry with the establishment for rejecting her claim, soon fell for the stormy, dangerous human outlaw, abandoning Gwindor; but Turin had eyes only for the Queen, Galadriel, whom he served fanatically. Celeborn was still at Olwe's side...and Galadriel was tempted, but did not yet succumb... Contestants and challenge coming up later. __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso Last edited by Anguirel; 10-31-2005 at 07:42 AM.

10-31-2005, 07:48 AM	#2
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	It's Day Ten in Middle-earth. The contestants: Tribes VALAR Elbereth Ulmo Mandos, Doom of NOLDOR Maedhros Maglor Celegorm Celebrimbor Ereinion Galadriel Idril Maeglin Finduilas Gwindor TELERI/SINDAR Olwe Celeborn Mablung MAIA Melian Uinen Arien (with Sun) DWARVES Telchar of Nogrod (incidentally, probably by now a different character. But with the same name. Like Durin the Deathless...) Mim the Petty-dwarf MEN Dior Hurin Tuor Morwen Turin Nienor Brandir FORCES OF EVIL Morgoth Sauron Glaurung Ancalagon (adolescent...) Morgoth, Curse of Challenge the tenth: PLANNING PERMISSION. Without evicting Turin, try to stop the building of the bridge over the Narog. Sorry this is so late. Chaotic morning. __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

10-31-2005, 09:24 AM	#4
Tuor of Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, WtR, passed Sarn Gebir: Above the rapids (1239 miles) BtR, passed Black Rider Stopping Place (31 miles) Posts: 1,548	Who runs Nargothrond if Finduilas is removed? Without her backing would the bridge be built and/or The Black Sword stay in Nargothrond? __________________ Aure Entuluva!

10-31-2005, 10:48 AM	#5
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Could be time to evict Morwen, so that Turin heads north out of concern for his sister. That would certainly lessen his impact on startegy and planning decisions within Nargothrond. (Sorry Lalaith. ) __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

10-31-2005, 11:06 AM	#6
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	Sound reasoning by SpM: So: + + Morwen __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

10-31-2005, 08:31 AM	#3
arcticstorm Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Johnson Bible College: Knoxville, TN Posts: 464	hmm, the moderator gives us an interesting challenge, if these were men instead of elves I would suggest Arien again, but as elves love the starlight it may only slow them down a little, but everything will still be built. We need to keep GWindor, and maybe find a way to get him more clout in the royal court, hmm, maybe if we remove Celeborn, Gwindor and the Queen will be nutually turned to eachother, that could remove the bridge building, but at the same point, it could backfire on us, if Turin and Galadriel turn to eachother.

10-31-2005, 11:13 AM	#7
Gothmog Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Where I lay my head is home Posts: 421	If we evict Galadriel, would Turin leave Nargothrond? Maybe ha can't stand being around the place his loved lived when she's not around anymore? Whatever we do, to get Turin out of the place is a good idea... If he's gone, people will listen to Gwindor and the warnings of Gelmir and Arminas. Wait, that warning came to late after the bridge was built... Would a destruction of the bridge complete the task? Anyway, how we're going to get Turin from Nargothrond with his big crush on the ruler there is a mystery to me. Therefore I nominate Galadriel as one alternative. __________________ Three switched witches watch three Swatch watch switches. Which switched witch watch which Swatch watch switch? He who breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom ~Lurker...

10-31-2005, 11:16 AM	#8
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	If the curse of Morgoth goes many Turin related problems are bound to go away ++Curse of Morgoth __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”