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Eonwe · 11-03-2005, 08:10 AM

ok here's a question that has always bothered me. in the world of middle-earth, "magic" and "sorcery" are words the Hobbits uses to describe innate abilities that they don't understand, right.

Ok if that is true, what about the Mouth of Sauron. I believe it says that he is "much learned in sorcery", or something along those lines. how can you learn innate ablilites?

Rimbaud · 11-03-2005, 08:28 AM

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...how can you learn innate ablilites?

Rimfucious he say: the nesting chick has the innate ability to fly - it still needs to learn how.

Gothmog · 11-03-2005, 05:07 PM

A quick question about language then. I tried searching the internet but came up with nothing so now I'm turning to you people. This quote is from a post by Neithan on the thread uh.. wots a maiar ???/ ( post #14):

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Also, I always thought that the term Umaia referred to only those Maiar who turned evil (Sauron, Balrogs), but that may just be because it reminds me of the Quenya word Umea "evil", so that might not have any truth to it.

My question to you is, does Umea mean evil? I haven't found that translation anywhere.

It would be rather funny as I live in a town called Umeå right now and with english spelling that becomes...Well, you see my point.

Even if this turns out wrong, can somebody recommend a good elvish-english english-elvish translator? Thank you!

P.S. I don't know if questions regarding language belong here, but to me it's a misc. question...Forgive me if there's some other, better suited thread for this kind of linguistic matters.

/That villanious, very crazy Balrog (or was it Balrog lover?)

Formendacil · 11-03-2005, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Gothmog

A quick question about language then. I tried searching the internet but came up with nothing so now I'm turning to you people. This quote is from a post by Neithan on the thread uh.. wots a maiar ???/ ( post #14):
My question to you is, does Umea mean evil? I haven't found that translation anywhere.

It would be rather funny as I live in a town called Umeå right now and with english spelling that becomes...Well, you see my point.

Even if this turns out wrong, can somebody recommend a good elvish-english english-elvish translator? Thank you!

P.S. I don't know if questions regarding language belong here, but to me it's a misc. question...Forgive me if there's some other, better suited thread for this kind of linguistic matters.

/That villanious, very crazy Balrog (or was it Balrog lover?)

Actually... I have no idea where Neithan was getting that information from. Could be a typo, could be something I don't know and/or have forgotten, of course, but I've never heard of the word "umea" before, in connection with Quenya, or with Middle-Earth at all.

Aiwendil · 11-04-2005, 10:53 AM

The Quettaparma Quenyanna gives "umea" as "evil". But I have checked the two sources it gives (HoMe IX and XI) and cannot find the word.

Maerbenn · 11-04-2005, 04:36 PM

“[Q] úmea evil” can be found under the entry for ugu- and UMU- in ‘The Etymologies’ published in HoMe V: The Lost Road and Other Writings.

Gothmog · 11-07-2005, 01:24 PM

Thank you very much people! I'm now (almost) sure I live in "EVIL". Feels good...

11-07-2005, 01:24 PM	#7
Gothmog Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Where I lay my head is home Posts: 421	Thank you very much people! I'm now (almost) sure I live in "EVIL". Feels good... __________________ Three switched witches watch three Swatch watch switches. Which switched witch watch which Swatch watch switch? He who breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom ~Lurker...

11-03-2005, 08:10 AM	#1
Eonwe Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: In a world grown ever smaller. Posts: 678	ok here's a question that has always bothered me. in the world of middle-earth, "magic" and "sorcery" are words the Hobbits uses to describe innate abilities that they don't understand, right. Ok if that is true, what about the Mouth of Sauron. I believe it says that he is "much learned in sorcery", or something along those lines. how can you learn innate ablilites? __________________ I've got bridge club on Wednesday, Archery on Thursday, Dancing on a Friday night!

11-04-2005, 10:53 AM	#5
Aiwendil Late Istar Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 2,224	The Quettaparma Quenyanna gives "umea" as "evil". But I have checked the two sources it gives (HoMe IX and XI) and cannot find the word.

11-04-2005, 04:36 PM	#6
Maerbenn Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 59	“[Q] úmea evil” can be found under the entry for ugu- and UMU- in ‘The Etymologies’ published in HoMe V: The Lost Road and Other Writings.