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Aiwendil · 11-04-2005, 10:53 AM

The Quettaparma Quenyanna gives "umea" as "evil". But I have checked the two sources it gives (HoMe IX and XI) and cannot find the word.

Maerbenn · 11-04-2005, 04:36 PM

“[Q] úmea evil” can be found under the entry for ugu- and UMU- in ‘The Etymologies’ published in HoMe V: The Lost Road and Other Writings.

Gothmog · 11-07-2005, 01:24 PM

Thank you very much people! I'm now (almost) sure I live in "EVIL". Feels good...

bilbo_baggins · 11-07-2005, 02:20 PM

Does anyone know if Gimli was the only dwarf to go to the Undying lands? And would the Hobbits and Gimli die even after they live there? How could the Vala change the gift of mortality? And does Sam go to Valinor later?

Gurthang · 11-07-2005, 03:57 PM

Well, I can answer one of your questions. If you look towards the very end of Appendix B you'll find.

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Originally Posted by Return of the King: Appendix B

1482 Death of Mistress Rose, wife of Master Samwise, on Mid-year's Day. On Sptemeber 22 Master Samwise rides out from Bag End. He comes to the Tower Hills, and is last seen by Elanor, to whom he gives the Red Book afterwards kept by the Fairbairns. Among them the tradition is handed down from Elanor that Samwise passed the Towers, and went to the Grey Havens, and passed over the Sea, last of the Ring-bearers.

Shortly after that is where it says that Legolas took Gimli with him to Valinor. I'd guess that there were no other dwarves there, but I don't have any text that could back that up.

Gothmog · 11-07-2005, 04:34 PM

To answer your question about mortals dying or not in the Undying lands I provide this quote:

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As for Frodo or other mortals, they could only dwell in Aman for a limited time - whether brief or long. The Valar had neither the power nor the right to confer 'immortality' upon them. Their sojourn was a 'purgatory', but one of peace and healing and they would eventually pass away (die at their own desire and of free will) to destinations of which the Elves knew nothing.- The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien, 325

There's already a few threads concerning this, this one for example.

And Gimli probably was the only dwarf to go to the undying lands, even if it's hard to prove it. I don't think it says so literally, but I've never come across any record of some other dwarf doing the journey. It would be a quite famous dwarf if that would be the case and we should have heard of it.

Hope that's enough information!

11-07-2005, 01:24 PM	#3
Gothmog Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Where I lay my head is home Posts: 421	Thank you very much people! I'm now (almost) sure I live in "EVIL". Feels good... __________________ Three switched witches watch three Swatch watch switches. Which switched witch watch which Swatch watch switch? He who breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom ~Lurker...

11-07-2005, 02:20 PM	#4
bilbo_baggins Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2003 Location: In my front hallway, grabbing my staff, about to head out my door Posts: 275	Does anyone know if Gimli was the only dwarf to go to the Undying lands? And would the Hobbits and Gimli die even after they live there? How could the Vala change the gift of mortality? And does Sam go to Valinor later? __________________ "For with much wisdom comes much sorrow, and with more knowledge comes more grief."

11-04-2005, 10:53 AM	#1
Aiwendil Late Istar Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 2,224	The Quettaparma Quenyanna gives "umea" as "evil". But I have checked the two sources it gives (HoMe IX and XI) and cannot find the word.

11-04-2005, 04:36 PM	#2
Maerbenn Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 59	“[Q] úmea evil” can be found under the entry for ugu- and UMU- in ‘The Etymologies’ published in HoMe V: The Lost Road and Other Writings.