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[Lalwendë]

There is of course the line "a new power is rising" as used in TT (during the glorious Evita-esque balcony sequence), which might also suggest that Saruman does think of himself as offering a third way. Though I think that only someone who has not read the books might be qualified to say whether they 'got' this point or not.

Originally Posted by davem

We do see the Orcs in Cirith Ungol fighting amongst themselves, but I'm not sure the movie makers got why they did so - in one of the commentary tracks someone says its 'convenient' for Sam that they did. Far from being 'convenient' its actually inevitable that they turn on each other. Sauron has slaves, but clearly the very fact of their being slaves makes them desire to be free - hence more (potential, at least) fragmentation.

I'm surprised that they said this on the commentary track. As film-makers I would have thought they would have been aware of one of the 'devices' for the 'evil' side or 'bad guys' in films, and that is to make them look as though they do not trust one another and cannot truly work together effectively. We often see, for example, film gangs turning on one another which then makes it easier for the 'good guys' to save the day. In that respect the battling Orcs do make sense, so this isn't just 'convenient'.