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Lalaith · 11-23-2005, 11:46 AM

++MANDOS, DOOM OF

Olorin's efforts succeeded.

Alcarillo · 11-23-2005, 11:49 AM

++Maglor
Because he has a Silmaril. I'd like to see who grabs it next.

**The Saucepan Man** · 11-23-2005, 12:04 PM

++ CIRDAN

Just in case any Elves were thinking of slipping off to Valinor to avoid the forthcoming conflict. If we eliminate their means of leaving, then they have no option but to face the "music", thus ensuring a much more comprehensive (and therefore interesting) battle. I am assuming that Cirdan is the only Elf with sufficient knowledge to craft a vessel capable of making the journey to Valinor. If that is not the case, then I nominate his (unnamed) apprentices to be evicted with him, together with any currently extant sea-worthy vessels.

Anguirel · 11-23-2005, 12:08 PM

Well, Saucy, Earendil has proved himself capable of sailing to Valinor, after all...perhaps you should target him...

Tempting though Earendil and the Doom of Mandos are as evictees, my main regret about the War of Wrath's aftermath was the senseless drowning of Beleriand, destroying so much beauty and history. And that has to be at least partly the fault of the the Lord of the Waters. I'm going for Ulmo.

Day extended by a couple of hours, by the way...

++ULMO

Gothmog · 11-23-2005, 12:21 PM

At the moment the Evil Side looks quite strong... Without the help of Valar, the battle ahead will be tough for the elves and good men. But to vote for one of the few evil forces left...hmmm, no. So therefore I vote

++Doom of Mandos

Without that old doom, things will at least look a bit brighter for the elves. And to all of you saying this would make the story will be less interesting without the doom, don't you think there will be enough problems? I can't see Angmod letting the free people of ME go without worries for eternity...

Anguirel · 11-23-2005, 12:30 PM

Tally so far:

Earendil-1
Morgoth-1
Mandos, Doom of-2
Maglor-1
Cirdan-1
Ulmo-1

**The Saucepan Man** · 11-23-2005, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anguirel

Well, Saucy, Earendil has proved himself capable of sailing to Valinor, after all...perhaps you should target him...

Yes, that point did occur to me. But I thought that Earendil was more of a mariner than a ship-wright. And he can't sail to Valinor if there are no ships to sail in.

Plus, given that he journeyed to Valinor specifically to recruit aid for the coming battle, he is hardly likely to be offering to ferry potential combatants away from it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anguirel

Tempting though Earendil and the Doom of Mandos are as evictees, my main regret about the War of Wrath's aftermath was the senseless drowning of Beleriand, destroying so much beauty and history.

But the drowning of Beleriand came about in consequences of the Valar's involvement in the battle, didn't it? Since the Valar will not be putting in a personal appearance, the battle will be much less geographically destructive (albeit probably much more personally destructive for those who stand in opposition to Morgoth).

Anguirel · 11-23-2005, 12:44 PM

The Valar did not fight in the War of Wrath, but the Valarin Host of warrior-Maiar led by Eonwe caused the Drowning. However, I always got the feeling that it was a lesson in humility for the Noldor, destroying all their work. Since the army fighting Morgoth is far less powerful, I fear Ulmo may be commanded to encompass the destruction instead.

And I like evicting Valar.

Anguirel · 11-23-2005, 02:35 PM

The day thou gavest Lord is ended...and the Doom of Mandos is to bite it. Look for my coming at dawn, at dawn, look to the east...

11-23-2005, 11:46 AM	#1
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	++MANDOS, DOOM OF Olorin's efforts succeeded. __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

11-23-2005, 12:04 PM	#3
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	++ CIRDAN Just in case any Elves were thinking of slipping off to Valinor to avoid the forthcoming conflict. If we eliminate their means of leaving, then they have no option but to face the "music", thus ensuring a much more comprehensive (and therefore interesting) battle. I am assuming that Cirdan is the only Elf with sufficient knowledge to craft a vessel capable of making the journey to Valinor. If that is not the case, then I nominate his (unnamed) apprentices to be evicted with him, together with any currently extant sea-worthy vessels. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

11-23-2005, 12:08 PM	#4
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	Well, Saucy, Earendil has proved himself capable of sailing to Valinor, after all...perhaps you should target him... Tempting though Earendil and the Doom of Mandos are as evictees, my main regret about the War of Wrath's aftermath was the senseless drowning of Beleriand, destroying so much beauty and history. And that has to be at least partly the fault of the the Lord of the Waters. I'm going for Ulmo. Day extended by a couple of hours, by the way... ++ULMO __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

11-23-2005, 12:21 PM	#5
Gothmog Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Where I lay my head is home Posts: 421	At the moment the Evil Side looks quite strong... Without the help of Valar, the battle ahead will be tough for the elves and good men. But to vote for one of the few evil forces left...hmmm, no. So therefore I vote ++Doom of Mandos Without that old doom, things will at least look a bit brighter for the elves. And to all of you saying this would make the story will be less interesting without the doom, don't you think there will be enough problems? I can't see Angmod letting the free people of ME go without worries for eternity... __________________ Three switched witches watch three Swatch watch switches. Which switched witch watch which Swatch watch switch? He who breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom ~Lurker...

11-23-2005, 12:30 PM	#6
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	Tally so far: Earendil-1 Morgoth-1 Mandos, Doom of-2 Maglor-1 Cirdan-1 Ulmo-1 __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

11-23-2005, 11:49 AM	#2
Alcarillo Shadow of the Past Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Minas Mor-go Posts: 1,007	++Maglor Because he has a Silmaril. I'd like to see who grabs it next.

11-23-2005, 12:44 PM	#8
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	The Valar did not fight in the War of Wrath, but the Valarin Host of warrior-Maiar led by Eonwe caused the Drowning. However, I always got the feeling that it was a lesson in humility for the Noldor, destroying all their work. Since the army fighting Morgoth is far less powerful, I fear Ulmo may be commanded to encompass the destruction instead. And I like evicting Valar. __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

11-23-2005, 02:35 PM	#9
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	The day thou gavest Lord is ended...and the Doom of Mandos is to bite it. Look for my coming at dawn, at dawn, look to the east... __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso