Middle-Earth Football Tournament - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

**The Saucepan Man** · 12-11-2005, 06:23 AM

Go Barrow Downs!

Following the Second Round matches, the Yellow Boots table stands as follows:

Beleg (Doriath): 9
Pippin (The Shire): 7
Turin (Nargothrond): 7
Azog (Moria): 6
Legolas (Mirkwood): 6
Ugluk (Isengard): 6
Glorfindel (Gondolin): 5
Sauron (Tol-In-Gauroth): 5
The Saucepan Man (Barrow Downs): 5
Varda (Valimar): 5
Dark Lord (Mordor): 4
Aragorn (Gondor): 3
Arathorn (Arnor): 3
Faramir (Gondor): 3
Gothmog (Angband): 3
Melkor (Angband): 3
Sleepy Ranger (Barrow Downs): 3
Tom Bombadil (Old Forest): 3
Turgon (Gondolin): 3
Ancalagon the Black (Angband): 2
Arvedui (Arnor): 2
Balin (Moria): 2
Boromir (Gondor): 2
Ecthelion (Gondolin): 2
Finrod (Nargothrond): 2
Haldir (Lothlorien): 2
Manwe (Valmar): 2
Merry (The Shire): 2
Quickbeam (Fangorn): 2
Tar-Meneldur (Numenor): 2
Thingol (Doriath): 2
Thorin (Erebor): 2
Treebeard (Fangorn): 2
Witch King of Angmar (Mordor): 2
Yavanna (Valimar): 2

Beleg Strongboot is still the clear leader but, with Doriath knocked out by The Shire, his place is under serious threat from the Took wonderkid and the sensational Turin. Many of the chasing pack are from teams that have already been knocked out, but Varda, The Saucepan Man (yay!) and Dark Lord are solid contenders.

Looking forward to the Quarter Final draw ...

Sleepy Ranger · 12-11-2005, 01:34 PM

Match 1
Valimar vs. Angband

Match 2
Barrow-Downs vs. Arnor

Match 3
Gondor vs. Nargothrond

Match 4
Shire vs. Mordor

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And I'd like to know how many people are actually following the MEFWC.
At the moment the only people I know for certain are-
Saucepanman, Fainu and Arcticstorm

Anguirel · 12-11-2005, 03:31 PM

I am, I assure you. I'll get some more analysis and journalism out there soon...

Formendacil · 12-11-2005, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sleepy Ranger

And I'd like to know how many people are actually following the MEFWC.
At the moment the only people I know for certain are-
Saucepanman, Fainu and Arcticstorm

I'm reading it- albeit bemusedly...

I just have NO grounding in football (be it the American, British, or Gondorian versions) to make any suitable pithy comments for your edification.

**The Saucepan Man** · 12-11-2005, 07:18 PM

Fantastic! Great draw for the home team.

The Shire v Mordor match should be an interesting one. If anyone can beat the Dark Lord's team, it's the Hobbits. I can see Frodo and Sam sneaking one or two in.

Glirdan · 12-11-2005, 09:30 PM

Wel of course I'm following it. I'm part of it. I'm just not good with whole posting something about stuff with football. But I'm still following it.

Roa_Aoife · 12-11-2005, 10:32 PM

I'm following it! This is too much fun reading to pass up.

Anguirel · 12-12-2005, 12:05 PM

Valimar vs Angband-or, the War of Wrath

Naturally, I'll be supporting Angband here. They deserve it-they've faced far tougher opposition than Valimar to reach this level, their tactics have been innovative, and with Melkor, Gothmog, Maeglin and Ancalagon their offensive line up is more than solid.

However, I fear I'll be disappointed. One-to-one, Valimar captain Varda has a history of dealing with Melkor; she alone represents Valimar's star quality (ouch) but she's an extremely powerful asset. Valimar striker Yavanna has reported that the team is feeling confident, and I expect, annoyingly, they're right to be.

Winner: Epic match, but Valimar

Likely Scorers: May go to penalties. Otherwise Varda, Yavanna, Melkor, Gothmog, maybe Maeglin.

Barrowdowns vs Arnor-or, Cold be Heart and Hand and Bone

Arnor's a decent team and I have respect for it; it was below par last match and can do much better. As the clear underdog, I will be supporting it for this match.

However, against its traditional nemesis, which has showed exceptional skill this season, I don't think Arnor have much hope, even with new striker fresh from Angle United Halbarad. Barrow-Downs will probably romp through this one to the semis.

Winner: Solid victory to Barrow-Downs

Likely Scorers: Saucepanman, Sleepy Ranger, Arvedui, Arathorn, maybe Halbarad

Gondor vs. Nargothrond-or, Vanished Glory

Again I find myself sympathising with the likely loser. Gondor has beaten Angband itself early on, so the last Elven team in the championship are going to have a hard time of it. They do have the living legend Turin and the superb Finrod, but Gondor's forward combination of Aragorn, Faramir and Boromir has not yet seen defeat.

If Nargothrond succeed in signing the famous Heart of Himlad duo Celegorm and Curufin-a deal coach Finrod has high hopes of as Celegorm was the original captain of Nargothrond City-things may be closer. But the Sons of Feanor charge an extortionate fee that may be beyond the team's resources.

Winner: Close victory to Gondor

Likely Scorers: Aragorn, Faramir, Boromir, Turin, Finrod

Shire vs Mordor-or, A Fool's Hope

Come now, Saucie must have been joking or drunk. How can mere Hobbits dream of defeating the Dark Lord? What a ludicrous idea...

Winner: Isn't it obvious?

Likely Scorers: Everyone on the Mordor team. Three times each. Honestly, let's hope the Halflings have made their wills, ha ha ha...

Orominuialwen · 12-12-2005, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sleepy Ranger

And I'd like to know how many people are actually following the MEFWC.
At the moment the only people I know for certain are-
Saucepanman, Fainu and Arcticstorm

I'm reading and enjoying this very much, I just don't have much to contribute because I know absolutely nothing about non-American football.

Bergil · 12-12-2005, 05:57 PM

so am I

Boromir88 · 12-12-2005, 06:00 PM

I picked the Shire to defeat Doriath, so I'll go with Sauce and pick 'em again over Mordor.

Sleepy Ranger · 12-13-2005, 04:09 PM

Match 1
Live from Tol Eressa

Valimar 0 - 2 Angband

Surprisingly Valimar didn't really put on much of a match here as Angband seemed to cruise past them to book a spot in the semi-finals. Continuing on in their cocky manner Melkor scored late in the first half on his first chance. Angaband's second goal came in the form of a mis-timed pass which found its way to Melkor's feet, who crossed it into the box for Gothmog to head it in.

If Angband left us any doubts after their match against Numenor they certainly cleared them after this match. Still strong favorites and they have strong chances of winning the cup.

Match 2
Live from Quoteable-Quotes

Barrow-Downs 6 - 3 Arnor

Sleepy Ranger marked his return to the 'Downs team with a hat-trick and a 90th minute goal to save the match. The crowd was behind Sleepy all the way seeing as the match was at his domestic team's stadium. Arnor started off the match rather strongly going for goal right away. In the first half Arnor scored two goals courtesy of Arathorn but the second half saw the 'Downs fighting back as Sleepy Ranger receieved a long ball sent out from the back by Glirdan and took a rather long shot that bounced off the post and into the goal to pull Arnor back one.

But it didn't take Arnor long to re-consolidate its lead after a low shot by Arvedui found its mark. At 3-1 Barrow-Downs seemed to be in deep trouble but a 67th minute goal by Saucepanman began to make things seem brighter for the World Cup hosts. The Barrow-Downs hard fought effort payed off in the closing minutes when a Fea corner was converted into a goal by Sleepy Ranger. Level on 3 - 3 the two teams headed into extra time where by a reversal of fate the 'Downs stole the match.

Saucepanman scored the first goal of extra time after recieving a pass from the phantom and it was the phantom who scored the fifth goal of a well taken free-kick. The home boy and fan favorite Sleepy Ranger signed the match with a hard curving kick from the edge of the box, it seemed to be headed high and wide but a sudden curve and drop saw it safely past the goalkeeper and into the goal.

Heres a classic example of coming back from a bad start, though it may have seemed at more than one point that this was not going to be the Barrow-Downs night, they managed to pull through. I can see them lifting the cup at the end of it all.

Match 3
Live from Dol Amroth

Gondor 1 - 2 Nargothrond

Well this certainly wasn't much of a match. Faramir sunk in an early goal but Nargothrond sealed it thanks to a double by Turin in the opening stages of the second half. Gondor's superb offense seemed to lack in this match and they were just outplayed by a far superior team. Its goodbye to Gondor and lets see just how far Nargothrond can actually get.

Nargothrond are a good team but I doubt they can make it to the finals.

Match 4
Live from Hobbiton

Shire 3 - 0 Mordor

What an upset, what an expected upset. Shire's mid-field totally out-classed Mordor and Mordor's defense couldn't touch Gondor's offense. Merry and Pippin started of by passing the ball around before a high cross to Gandalf seemed to be the first goal however it was give off-side. It didn't matter since the free kick was poorly taken and Merry scored from hardly 10m out. Not a minute later Pippin scored off a wild shot that didn't seem to be going in even for a second but somehow ended up in the back of the net. The third goal was scored by Pippin when Merry was taken down by an awkward tackle in the box. The penalty was picture perfect, the goalie dived and the ball went straight past him.

A [surprising] win for the Shire and one they can be proud of. The may make it to the finals but thats to be seen. The semi-finals draw will be tough and it remains to be seen which team has what it takes.

**The Saucepan Man** · 12-13-2005, 06:58 PM

Here's to a Barrow-Downs v Shire Final!

And now the important matter of the Yellow Boots Trophy. Current state of play (full list):

Beleg (Doriath): 9
Pippin (The Shire): 9
Turin (Nargothrond): 9
Sleepy Ranger (Barrow Downs): 7
The Saucepan Man (Barrow Downs): 7
Azog (Moria): 6
Legolas (Mirkwood): 6
Ugluk (Isengard): 6
Arathorn (Arnor): 5
Glorfindel (Gondolin): 5
Sauron (Tol-In-Gauroth): 5
Varda (Valimar): 5
Dark Lord (Mordor): 4
Faramir (Gondor): 4
Gothmog (Angband): 4
Melkor (Angband): 4
Aragorn (Gondor): 3
Arvedui (Arnor): 3
Merry (The Shire): 3
Tom Bombadil (Old Forest): 3
Turgon (Gondolin): 3
Ancalagon the Black (Angband): 2
Balin (Moria): 2
Boromir (Gondor): 2
Ecthelion (Gondolin): 2
Finrod (Nargothrond): 2
Haldir (Lothlorien): 2
Manwe (Valmar): 2
Quickbeam (Fangorn): 2
Tar-Meneldur (Numenor): 2
The phantom (Barrow Downs): 2
Thingol (Doriath): 2
Thorin (Erebor): 2
Treebeard (Fangorn): 2
Witch King of Angmar (Mordor): 2
Yavanna (Valimar): 2
Brandir (Ephel Barandir): 1
Durin's Bane (Moria): 1
Earnil (Arnor): 1
Elrohir (Rivendell): 1
Fatty Bolger (Crickhollow): 1
Firefoot (Barrow Downs): 1
Gandalf (The Shire): 1
Imrahil (Gondor): 1
Maeglin (Angband): 1
Nazgul #7 (Mordor): 1
Olwe (Alqualonde): 1
Tar-Ancalime (Numenor): 1
Tuor (Gondolin): 1

With Doriath out, it looks like it's between four players. My money's on that there Saucepan Man.

Roa_Aoife · 12-13-2005, 07:04 PM

Go Shire! I knew the little guys to do it!

And another victory for the home team! I'm going out to celebrate.

12-11-2005, 06:23 AM	#1
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Yellow Boots update Go Barrow Downs! Following the Second Round matches, the Yellow Boots table stands as follows: Beleg (Doriath): 9 Pippin (The Shire): 7 Turin (Nargothrond): 7 Azog (Moria): 6 Legolas (Mirkwood): 6 Ugluk (Isengard): 6 Glorfindel (Gondolin): 5 Sauron (Tol-In-Gauroth): 5 The Saucepan Man (Barrow Downs): 5 Varda (Valimar): 5 Dark Lord (Mordor): 4 Aragorn (Gondor): 3 Arathorn (Arnor): 3 Faramir (Gondor): 3 Gothmog (Angband): 3 Melkor (Angband): 3 Sleepy Ranger (Barrow Downs): 3 Tom Bombadil (Old Forest): 3 Turgon (Gondolin): 3 Ancalagon the Black (Angband): 2 Arvedui (Arnor): 2 Balin (Moria): 2 Boromir (Gondor): 2 Ecthelion (Gondolin): 2 Finrod (Nargothrond): 2 Haldir (Lothlorien): 2 Manwe (Valmar): 2 Merry (The Shire): 2 Quickbeam (Fangorn): 2 Tar-Meneldur (Numenor): 2 Thingol (Doriath): 2 Thorin (Erebor): 2 Treebeard (Fangorn): 2 Witch King of Angmar (Mordor): 2 Yavanna (Valimar): 2 Beleg Strongboot is still the clear leader but, with Doriath knocked out by The Shire, his place is under serious threat from the Took wonderkid and the sensational Turin. Many of the chasing pack are from teams that have already been knocked out, but Varda, The Saucepan Man (yay!) and Dark Lord are solid contenders. Looking forward to the Quarter Final draw ... __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

12-11-2005, 01:34 PM	#2
Sleepy Ranger Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: On the field, kissing the 'Downs crest Posts: 1,654	Quarter-Finals Draw Match 1 Valimar vs. Angband Match 2 Barrow-Downs vs. Arnor Match 3 Gondor vs. Nargothrond Match 4 Shire vs. Mordor --- And I'd like to know how many people are actually following the MEFWC. At the moment the only people I know for certain are- Saucepanman, Fainu and Arcticstorm __________________ And tonight we can truly say, together we're invincible... Middle-Earth Football World Cup 2007

12-11-2005, 03:31 PM	#3
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	I am, I assure you. I'll get some more analysis and journalism out there soon... __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

12-11-2005, 07:18 PM	#5
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Fantastic! Great draw for the home team. The Shire v Mordor match should be an interesting one. If anyone can beat the Dark Lord's team, it's the Hobbits. I can see Frodo and Sam sneaking one or two in. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

12-11-2005, 09:30 PM	#6
Glirdan Energetic Essence Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Where Lark Nor Eagle Ever Flew Posts: 3,285	Wel of course I'm following it. I'm part of it. I'm just not good with whole posting something about stuff with football. But I'm still following it. __________________ *I'm going to buy you a kitty, I'm going to let you fall in love with the kitty, and one cold, winter night, I'm going to steal into your house and punch you in the face!* Fenris Wolf

12-11-2005, 10:32 PM	#7
Roa_Aoife Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Someday, I'll rule all of it. Posts: 1,696	I'm following it! This is too much fun reading to pass up. __________________ We can't all be Roas* when it comes to analysing...* -Lommy I didn't say you're evil, Roa, I said you're exasperating. -Nerwen

12-12-2005, 12:05 PM	#8
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	Valimar vs Angband-or, the War of Wrath Naturally, I'll be supporting Angband here. They deserve it-they've faced far tougher opposition than Valimar to reach this level, their tactics have been innovative, and with Melkor, Gothmog, Maeglin and Ancalagon their offensive line up is more than solid. However, I fear I'll be disappointed. One-to-one, Valimar captain Varda has a history of dealing with Melkor; she alone represents Valimar's star quality (ouch) but she's an extremely powerful asset. Valimar striker Yavanna has reported that the team is feeling confident, and I expect, annoyingly, they're right to be. Winner: Epic match, but Valimar Likely Scorers: May go to penalties. Otherwise Varda, Yavanna, Melkor, Gothmog, maybe Maeglin. Barrowdowns vs Arnor-or, Cold be Heart and Hand and Bone Arnor's a decent team and I have respect for it; it was below par last match and can do much better. As the clear underdog, I will be supporting it for this match. However, against its traditional nemesis, which has showed exceptional skill this season, I don't think Arnor have much hope, even with new striker fresh from Angle United Halbarad. Barrow-Downs will probably romp through this one to the semis. Winner: Solid victory to Barrow-Downs Likely Scorers: Saucepanman, Sleepy Ranger, Arvedui, Arathorn, maybe Halbarad Gondor vs. Nargothrond-or, Vanished Glory Again I find myself sympathising with the likely loser. Gondor has beaten Angband itself early on, so the last Elven team in the championship are going to have a hard time of it. They do have the living legend Turin and the superb Finrod, but Gondor's forward combination of Aragorn, Faramir and Boromir has not yet seen defeat. If Nargothrond succeed in signing the famous Heart of Himlad duo Celegorm and Curufin-a deal coach Finrod has high hopes of as Celegorm was the original captain of Nargothrond City-things may be closer. But the Sons of Feanor charge an extortionate fee that may be beyond the team's resources. Winner: Close victory to Gondor Likely Scorers: Aragorn, Faramir, Boromir, Turin, Finrod Shire vs Mordor-or, A Fool's Hope Come now, Saucie must have been joking or drunk. How can mere Hobbits dream of defeating the Dark Lord? What a ludicrous idea... Winner: Isn't it obvious? Likely Scorers: Everyone on the Mordor team. Three times each. Honestly, let's hope the Halflings have made their wills, ha ha ha... __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

12-12-2005, 05:57 PM	#10
Bergil Wight Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: the Lepetomaine Gambling Casino For The Insane Posts: 157	so am I __________________ I support...something.

12-12-2005, 06:00 PM	#11
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	I picked the Shire to defeat Doriath, so I'll go with Sauce and pick 'em again over Mordor. __________________ Fenris Penguin

12-13-2005, 04:09 PM	#12
Sleepy Ranger Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: On the field, kissing the 'Downs crest Posts: 1,654	Quarter-Finals Match 1 Live from Tol Eressa Valimar 0 - 2 Angband Surprisingly Valimar didn't really put on much of a match here as Angband seemed to cruise past them to book a spot in the semi-finals. Continuing on in their cocky manner Melkor scored late in the first half on his first chance. Angaband's second goal came in the form of a mis-timed pass which found its way to Melkor's feet, who crossed it into the box for Gothmog to head it in. If Angband left us any doubts after their match against Numenor they certainly cleared them after this match. Still strong favorites and they have strong chances of winning the cup. Match 2 Live from Quoteable-Quotes Barrow-Downs 6 - 3 Arnor Sleepy Ranger marked his return to the 'Downs team with a hat-trick and a 90th minute goal to save the match. The crowd was behind Sleepy all the way seeing as the match was at his domestic team's stadium. Arnor started off the match rather strongly going for goal right away. In the first half Arnor scored two goals courtesy of Arathorn but the second half saw the 'Downs fighting back as Sleepy Ranger receieved a long ball sent out from the back by Glirdan and took a rather long shot that bounced off the post and into the goal to pull Arnor back one. But it didn't take Arnor long to re-consolidate its lead after a low shot by Arvedui found its mark. At 3-1 Barrow-Downs seemed to be in deep trouble but a 67th minute goal by Saucepanman began to make things seem brighter for the World Cup hosts. The Barrow-Downs hard fought effort payed off in the closing minutes when a Fea corner was converted into a goal by Sleepy Ranger. Level on 3 - 3 the two teams headed into extra time where by a reversal of fate the 'Downs stole the match. Saucepanman scored the first goal of extra time after recieving a pass from the phantom and it was the phantom who scored the fifth goal of a well taken free-kick. The home boy and fan favorite Sleepy Ranger signed the match with a hard curving kick from the edge of the box, it seemed to be headed high and wide but a sudden curve and drop saw it safely past the goalkeeper and into the goal. Heres a classic example of coming back from a bad start, though it may have seemed at more than one point that this was not going to be the Barrow-Downs night, they managed to pull through. I can see them lifting the cup at the end of it all. Match 3 Live from Dol Amroth Gondor 1 - 2 Nargothrond Well this certainly wasn't much of a match. Faramir sunk in an early goal but Nargothrond sealed it thanks to a double by Turin in the opening stages of the second half. Gondor's superb offense seemed to lack in this match and they were just outplayed by a far superior team. Its goodbye to Gondor and lets see just how far Nargothrond can actually get. Nargothrond are a good team but I doubt they can make it to the finals. Match 4 Live from Hobbiton Shire 3 - 0 Mordor What an upset, what an expected upset. Shire's mid-field totally out-classed Mordor and Mordor's defense couldn't touch Gondor's offense. Merry and Pippin started of by passing the ball around before a high cross to Gandalf seemed to be the first goal however it was give off-side. It didn't matter since the free kick was poorly taken and Merry scored from hardly 10m out. Not a minute later Pippin scored off a wild shot that didn't seem to be going in even for a second but somehow ended up in the back of the net. The third goal was scored by Pippin when Merry was taken down by an awkward tackle in the box. The penalty was picture perfect, the goalie dived and the ball went straight past him. A [surprising] win for the Shire and one they can be proud of. The may make it to the finals but thats to be seen. The semi-finals draw will be tough and it remains to be seen which team has what it takes. __________________ And tonight we can truly say, together we're invincible... Middle-Earth Football World Cup 2007

12-13-2005, 06:58 PM	#13
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Yellow Boots update Here's to a Barrow-Downs v Shire Final! And now the important matter of the Yellow Boots Trophy. Current state of play (full list): Beleg (Doriath): 9 Pippin (The Shire): 9 Turin (Nargothrond): 9 Sleepy Ranger (Barrow Downs): 7 The Saucepan Man (Barrow Downs): 7 Azog (Moria): 6 Legolas (Mirkwood): 6 Ugluk (Isengard): 6 Arathorn (Arnor): 5 Glorfindel (Gondolin): 5 Sauron (Tol-In-Gauroth): 5 Varda (Valimar): 5 Dark Lord (Mordor): 4 Faramir (Gondor): 4 Gothmog (Angband): 4 Melkor (Angband): 4 Aragorn (Gondor): 3 Arvedui (Arnor): 3 Merry (The Shire): 3 Tom Bombadil (Old Forest): 3 Turgon (Gondolin): 3 Ancalagon the Black (Angband): 2 Balin (Moria): 2 Boromir (Gondor): 2 Ecthelion (Gondolin): 2 Finrod (Nargothrond): 2 Haldir (Lothlorien): 2 Manwe (Valmar): 2 Quickbeam (Fangorn): 2 Tar-Meneldur (Numenor): 2 The phantom (Barrow Downs): 2 Thingol (Doriath): 2 Thorin (Erebor): 2 Treebeard (Fangorn): 2 Witch King of Angmar (Mordor): 2 Yavanna (Valimar): 2 Brandir (Ephel Barandir): 1 Durin's Bane (Moria): 1 Earnil (Arnor): 1 Elrohir (Rivendell): 1 Fatty Bolger (Crickhollow): 1 Firefoot (Barrow Downs): 1 Gandalf (The Shire): 1 Imrahil (Gondor): 1 Maeglin (Angband): 1 Nazgul #7 (Mordor): 1 Olwe (Alqualonde): 1 Tar-Ancalime (Numenor): 1 Tuor (Gondolin): 1 With Doriath out, it looks like it's between four players. My money's on that there Saucepan Man. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

12-13-2005, 07:04 PM	#14
Roa_Aoife Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Someday, I'll rule all of it. Posts: 1,696	Go Shire! I knew the little guys to do it! And another victory for the home team! I'm going out to celebrate. __________________ We can't all be Roas* when it comes to analysing...* -Lommy I didn't say you're evil, Roa, I said you're exasperating. -Nerwen