Tol-in-Gaurhoth XV-The Villagers Strike Back!

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I thought I made it painfully clear, Mormegil, that I had no idea what to do toward the end of that Night. If I had abstained from voting, it would have been suspicious. If I had voted for Glirdan or Nonna, it would have been suspicious. If I had voted for anyone else it would have been suspicious.

If it makes you feel any better I don't really suspect you at the moment. But then, I don't really suspect anyone. Tonight's discussion will give us a better idea.

(As for use of the word 'sneaky', I didn't put a whole lot of thought into that. Let me change that to 'obnoxious'. )

[Oddwen]

Mmm, traitor's flesh! Thanks to the elves for the wonderful breakfast!

What a lucky break for us, y'alls. Now, as to cause of death, should we look at the obvious, being:

Mithalwen, the only vote for SPW?

Eomer, Kitanna, Oddwen and Kath, for being mentioned as candidates for devouring?

Gil-Gurth, for having a few words with SPW?

Nonna, being as SPW voted for him?

Or another person altogether, maybe.

Oh, and P.S.,

Originally Posted by Guh-guh

Huan: Rune or Glirdan

73% sure

You wuz wroooong, señor cara resacas!

[Kath]

How do the rest of you read this riddle?

My view on it is that the Elves thought old Sauce would likely be more threat to them alive than dead. He's long had a reputation for cleverness. I don't know that there were any clues in what he said as to him being a Gifted. In fact the only thing I would see as pointing that way is that he was a bit quiet, unusual for him.

Mithalwen voted for SPW - because of their feud dictated by roles? Mith can't have known who he was whether she be wolf or Hero so here there isn't much chance of a bluff I think.

Sauce voted for Nonna - but again he cannot have known anything for certain.

So looking at those surrounding Sauce is useless. He was a traitor yes but not one that knew anything that could help us catch the Heroes. I feel that we might get bogged down in trying to decipher the reasoning behind things Sauce said and did when however much we analyse him it won't tell us anything helpful. I would be wary of those who encourage that course of action. mormegil for example uses this reasoning:

Also telling is that Huan voted him so obviously that fiend didn't think him to be an Elf ally.

To make a case for Nonna's innocence. NO! It tells us nothing except that a person with no more knowledge than the rest of us (excluding the Heroes) found him/her(?) suspicious.

Now I have this right yes? Huan would not have known who the Elves were? So long as I have that bit of information right then everything I said above holds true and I'm not too keen on morm. If on the other hand I'm wrong, ignore it all!

[mormegil]

Kath, you miss my point, it figures you lousy runt! What I meant is that Huan (SpM) wouldn't vote for somebody that he actually found suspicious of being an Elf. Therefore we can assume that 1 of the 4 votes at least didn't find him suspicious and that it's probable that at least one of the other 3 who votes for Nonna didn't find him and are dirty Elves. I've got an eye on all three

Boromir
Spawn
Kitanna

Though Eomer is still on as well as all others but you Kath have risen in the ranks to a close watch as well.

[Kath]

What I meant is that Huan (SpM) wouldn't vote for somebody that he actually found suspicious of being an Elf.

Why not? Nonna had already received some votes as I recall so had Sauce not been killed by the Elves he wouldn't have been suspected at all for his votes.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Kath

Why not? Nonna had already received some votes as I recall so had Sauce not been killed by the Elves he wouldn't have been suspected at all for his votes.

I'm really confused. Why would SpM vote for somebody he thought could be an Elf that had a good chance of dying?

[Kath]

Oh let me think! He votes for Nonna who then turns out to be an Elf. He is then cheered for getting one of the enemy and it is very likely that he will be exempt from suspicion for at least a Night, giving him a bit of leeway.

[Kitanna]

Morm, you're quick to jump on those of us who voted for Nonna because SpM voted in this group, but what about those who went after Glirdan and caused his death?
Formendacil
mormegil
Wayne
Menel
Oddwen
Farael
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's the whole list of those who voted for Glirdan.

It's probable one hero is hiding in the Nonna list and one is hiding in this list.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Kitanna

Morm, you're quick to jump on those of us who voted for Nonna because SpM voted in this group, but what about those who went after Glirdan and caused his death?
Formendacil
mormegil
Wayne
Menel
Oddwen
Farael
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's the whole list of those who voted for Glirdan.

It's probable one hero is hiding in the Nonna list and one is hiding in this list.

Undoubtedly there could be a hero amongst them, but the difference, in my eyes, is that Glirdan looked highly suspicious and seemed overly anxious to agree with everyone's ideas. I will spend my time looking at those I've mentioned earlier and by getting one Elf in that mix I think we can find hints towards others. Plus the list of those who voted Nonna is much smaller. If, however unlikely, Nonna is innocent then most likely that list of mine is moot. Now Kitanna, who are you to question me? You are no Mithalwen and haven't earned your stripes and you're nothing better than orc food!

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Kitanna

Morm, you're quick to jump on those of us who voted for Nonna because SpM voted in this group, but what about those who went after Glirdan and caused his death?
Formendacil
mormegil
Wayne
Menel
Oddwen
Farael
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's the whole list of those who voted for Glirdan.

It's probable one hero is hiding in the Nonna list and one is hiding in this list.

A hero among us?

That little list there, Kitanna, is half the island, almost.

I must say, when I said I was voting for Glirdan to stir things up, I really wasn't expecting such a bandwaggon to hitch itself behind me. Still, I certainly got an interesting thing going, with plenty of information to analyze.

SPM's death, though a bit of an odd one from my point of view, is quite a logical one for the Heroes to have made. Since they knew that SPM wasn't one of their own, it was quite logical that they would have wanted to kill off one of the most intelligent wolves, and -more importantly- it was a move that any Wolf with half a set of smarts would do- and with yesterday's contorted voting record, we really have no way of guessing who it could be.

In my opinion, we are really in a situation as bad as last Night- more random voting on little or no evidence, with only the future's hindsight to clarify our actions.

[Nonnacedak]

Har Har the Huan is dead and I rather enjoyed the chucks of his head!

I would go on the defensive here usually because it seems I was the second most popular (or unpopular) wolf on the first night of voting. I don't really feel like I necessarily need to however because I simply voted for someone who was actually second (not first) to randomly accuse me. Also the only reason for those beginning accusations was because I enjoy a delightful fleshrot. A solid and founded reason?

I say nay.

Could their foolish prejudice spark thoughts of revenge and contempt?

I say yea.