Tol-in-Gaurhoth XV-The Villagers Strike Back!

[Mithalwen]

Farael - you get more suspicious by the second.
Some of us have already pointed out flaws but this is unlikely I feel. It is harder to claim to be Sauron than any other gifted. Sauron has more knowledge than anyone at this point. Anyone claiming to be Sauron tonight has to fake 3 dreams that are plausible with their voting and posting. I personally am not certain of the Dark Lord's identity and will not speculate since you can all read as well as I.

But at the moment I must say, you are heading up my hit list , Farael.

You have consistently attracted much suspicion - no smoke without fire?

[mormegil]

I would welcome the hero being stupid enough to claim to be Sauron. The point is we will loose Sauron soon enough, if this is done, and the Hero will identify him/herself for us. Then we'd be down to one Hero and many known innocent. The idea of the double devouring each day is to kill unknowns faster than the Hero can kill known innocents and we win! However, I agree with Mith those comments of yours moved you up to very high on my list. I say that Farael and Gurthang our the Heros.

The key to my plan is Sauron. He/She knows how much or little he/she knows currently. So if Sauron were to step forward perhaps all gifteds should comply as well. I don't think it will happen today but tomorrow would be ideal. The only problem is what if the Heros get Sauron tonight. A lot of information could be lost. I leave it in Sauron's hands to decide what is best.

Edit: 2000th post

[Boromir88]

I've been scrounging through the records these last days and something with Gurthang just doesn't sit right with me now. Day 1 he randomly votes Rune (which I think everyone's votes early on are pretty much random...if not all the time, it just seems like we're lunging into the dark and hoping our claws find threachurous blood). Anyway, Day 1, Gurthang tosses out a vote for Rune for some reason.

And, what about this, I'm actually going to agree with Nonna's Post 81 where he marks this as odd and just seems like a throw away. Gurthang's reason for voting for Rune (as he explains it), was first he doesn't mind bandwagoning, he doesn't see a problem in it, but he doesn't join in he just throws out a vote. His vote seems like...

1) A hero that doesn't want to get his sword dirty in an innocent's death. Knowing that if he tagged a long it would seem like "bandwagoning" and also he would get his sword fresh with innocent wolf blood.

2) By voting for Rune, if Rune every happens to by eaten (which is the next day as we see) he atleast looks semi-safe. Gurthang's vote was a safe move for a hero to make and I now have my eye set upon him.

Despite my actually agreeing with Nonnacedak it doesn't make him seem any better to me, but Gurthang has quickly moved up my list.

I may be in the minority here, but to me Farael's post really doesn't make him seem more suspicious, it actually seems to be in good intentions and a reasonable question. Of course it would be hard and actually rather stupid for a hero to claim to be Sauron. However, we know how us wolves are in situations like this, when we're attacking villages. I've seen fellow wolves pull off successful disguises of being a gifted. Though it results in their own death eventually, a good guise as a gifted is able to draw them out and get them killed in the process, also just establish total chaos and confusion in the village. So, I don't see why Farael pointing out additional faults in Morm's plan makes him look more suspicious, I actually find it as a reasonable logical thing to point out. What if a hero tried to claim to be Sauron? Grant it, the hero would most likely seal his/her own fate, but a successful attempt could bring out the gifteds and get them killed in the process, as well as split the pack in two and cause chaos.

So my updated, adjusted suspect list, in no particular order:

Nonnacedak
Gurthang
Spawn
Eomer

[Nonnacedak]

At the moment Gurthang is definatly moving up my suspect list. I still suspect Dancing Spawn but because of recent posts I am leaning towards Gurthang. Like I said and B88 reiterated his random switch from me to Rune at the very beginning looks like he was trying to do a quick Hero cover at the beginning by starting a vote for a fellow Hero.

Now B88 you were the only person to vote for me last voting round and you are constantly putting me at the top of your suspect list. You do this but you really never say why I'm your main suspect.... Since your the only one that suspects me and you always just put my name and never try to prove that I'm a Hero I really shouldn't care to much. I guess your just baffeling me.

[Gurthang]

Originally Posted by Nonnacedak

At the moment Gurthang is definatly moving up my suspect list. I still suspect Dancing Spawn but because of recent posts I am leaning towards Gurthang. Like I said and B88 reiterated his random switch from me to Rune at the very beginning looks like he was trying to do a quick Hero cover at the beginning by starting a vote for a fellow Hero.

Now B88 you were the only person to vote for me last voting round and you are constantly putting me at the top of your suspect list. You do this but you really never say why I'm your main suspect.... Since your the only one that suspects me and you always just put my name and never try to prove that I'm a Hero I really shouldn't care to much. I guess your just baffeling me.

First off, I'll explain my first day vote. Which probably won't make any difference.

Glirdan had four votes. I didn't suspect him, but I had no reason not to, either. So I just said the bandwagon was fine with me. I had mentioned Nonnacedak early, and this is why you are questioning me. Was it not because you are a scavenger that I questioned you? I accused you for your occupation, as many do on the first day. We really have nothing to go on then, so we randomly accuse and gauge reactions. Nothing about your reaction stuck out to me, so I let it go. Now, since then I have noticed scraps here and there against you (so you are wrong saying Boromir is the only one to suspect you.). Notice that the same has happened to Farael; early I was worried about him(don't know if I posted saying so or not), but found that it was just for him being a werewolf-in-denial. Since I have become suspicious for other reasons.

So, when it came time that I had to vote, I really had nothing. So, rather than not vote or vote for someone who already had votes who I did not suspect, I quickly thought of anything that I could use as an excuse to vote for someone. I remembered Glirdan mentioning Rune's confusing post (which had slightly confused me, also) and so I used that. I jumped on the first thing that came to mind, so if that's a cop-out, then I'm guilty of it.

Now I'm really getting uneasy about all these people suspecting me. Morm and Oddwen have put forth good reasons and are making sense to me (despite being wrong), so I don't hold that against them. Boromir, I'm not sure, he's got a valid point in his post, but I almost feel like he's jumping out because of the other two. Nonna has come out again (he's suspected me before) but he's been silent about me for awhile, and I really feel like he's just coming back now that there's more support against me.

I'm still leaning on Farael, and Nonna is really close up there, too. I'll try to glance through the thread before Night ends, but I'll most likely vote for one of them.

[Meneltarmacil]

Well, what can I say? There's some evidence for Nonnacedak and Gurthang turning up that I'll have to look into, Nonna may actually be looking a little more suspicious than spawn right now.

However, I'm going to stick to my guns and vote

++Farael

[Boromir88]

Now B88 you were the only person to vote for me last voting round and you are constantly putting me at the top of your suspect list. You do this but you really never say why I'm your main suspect.... Since your the only one that suspects me and you always just put my name and never try to prove that I'm a Hero I really shouldn't care to much. I guess your just baffeling me.~Nonna

Let's see,

Post 44 gives the reason for voting for you on Day 1. Day 1 we don't have a lot to go off of, I felt like your vote for Meneltarmacil was because he had suspected you. Mormegil thinks it's an "over-reaction" and uses it to suspect me, but me personally, I felt this as on odd action, and really the most suspisious thing on Day 1.

Day 2, I really wasn't convinced in anyone else's guilt so I stuck with yours. In fact as I clearly stated in post 148 (and earlier today in post 188 I will suspect anyone who voted for Spawn, because we were aware that she would not be there that day very often and with her absense it would be easier to go after if she isn't here to explain herself. I saw your vote as this precise thing, especially since it was after Farael's who had first voted for Spawn.

Also, just something doesn't sit right in me. Just some of your comments like where you more than eagerly jump onto the idea that someone who voted for you had to be a hero. Seems like you have this thought out that someone who suspects you or votes for you has to be a hero.

It just strikes me as strange that you are rather persistant in seeing the people who vote for you dead. Persistant in that I have not explained my reasonings for suspecting you (and yet as I show above I have laid them out, whether others agree with me or not is a different problem, that's why I suspect you and I've laid it out and your insistance that I have not done so only I hope raises more eyebrows). You've been very anxious to kill the one's who have voted for you, makes me wonder if you and your little hero-buddy tried to wack me last night.

Boromir, I'm not sure, he's got a valid point in his post, but I almost feel like he's jumping out because of the other two.

Well unless if it comes down to you or someone who I feel likely to be innocent than don't expect yourself to be in my stomach today. My post was mainly to basically cancel this one:

Unsure, yet I'm willing to trust:
Mithalwen
Mormegil
Gurthang

Because, at that time you seemed to make sense (and you still do with your reasons for suspecting on Day 1), but just going through some posts your vote for Rune on Day 1 sticks out, and it very well could be for the reason that you say, only time will tell.