Tol-in-Gaurhoth XV-The Villagers Strike Back!

[Mithalwen]

I am Draugluin not Dragulin I am not Ms. anything (hideous title that I abhor).

Personally

How else am I meant to take it? I have risked all for nothing. You will disregard a vote for Farael so I won't bother.

Since this will surely be my last post I will speak though it is obvious now I have served the heroes purpose my opinions are disregarded. I fear you will live to regret your behaviour but it is no longer my problem.

Gurthang I think is AT LEAST innocent. Morm's attact on Gurthang makes me think that he may well be a hero in cahoots with Farael. He hasn't been playing as well as I would expect if he were a wolf but I know he is a fiendish plotter and would not put this bravura stunt beyond him.

Kath and Oddwen I think are innocent.

You all think I am a batty old "female dog" and I no longer care.

I so nearly voted for Mormegil on day one ... may as well do now.

Thank goodness I didn't!!!!

[Mithalwen]

Could you confirm I am Draugluin my Lord? And advise which of the people you haven't voted for I should cast my vote for?

I do not suspect Kath or Oddwen. But I will do as my lord requires as a last act of Fealty.

[Farael]

Aye, cuadruple posting or so.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Could you confirm I am Draugluin my Lord? And advise which of the people you haven't voted for I should cast my vote for?

I do not suspect Kath or Oddwen. But I will do as my lord requires as a last act of Fealty.

That is correct. You are my trusted servant, Draugluin. Let there be no doubt about that.

As regards the rest of the village, I believe the inner eye has clouded the use of my outer eye, since I am very hesitant to call any of them either Heroes or Innocents thus far. Let us see what this day brings...

And perhaps a double-lynching is wisest. Even if we lose two innocents, I deem it no great loss.

Lord Sauron *muttering* Sorry Lord...I was merely trying to help.

You are forgiven. For now.

But it is not forgotten.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Formendacil, thank you for revealing yourself! We have now five proven wolves (I'm not doubting Farael) and a couple of others who are likely to be true lycans as well.

So, the heroes are on this list (right?):

Boromir
Eomer
Kath
Lhunardawen
Oddwen
spawn
Wayne

edit: Corrected a mistake on the list.

[mormegil]

Spawn, No I am an innocent while I justly incurred the wrath of Lord Sauron he knows I am his loyal servant.

Lord Sauron *muttering* Sorry Lord...I was merely trying to help.

Will you help to organize some devourings so that we can increase our chance of surviving. If we have some known innocents double devourings make sense because we need to capilalize on this advantage while we have it.

Formendacil
Mithalwen
Gurthang
Mormegil

Truly known innocent.

Farael

Most likely innocent

That is 5. Let's use this to our advantage.

Originally Posted by Spawn

And now the double devouring idea of his which includes Wayne is a bit odd. If he thinks Wayne is a hero, won't one hero at a time be enough when the odds are that we'd take a regular wolf down with him - or even worse, our Seer - and the last hero would have one less innocent to worry about. If morm, however, thinks that Wayne is just annoying, he'd be eliminating an innocent vote and the heroes' chances to survive would grow better. Or am I just missing something?

It's a matter of principle if one truly isn't actively participating I don't feel that they should be alive to participate. That is why I say off with Wayne.

One the plus side we will have at least one more dream from Sauron as Mithalwen can protect him...if you happened to last night don't say so please.

[Gurthang]

Originally Posted by mormegil

One the plus side we will have at least one more dream from Sauron as Mithalwen can protect him...if you happened to last night don't say so please.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

Thank you Lord Sauron! It's nice to know that people can trust me for a change. I'm also very relieved to be sure of mormegil's innocence, I already believed Mith completely.

Now, to business. We have, as other's pointed out, 5 known innocents. I believe Farael, for now at least, as we have no one coming against her. Leaving those five out, we've got:

Boromir
Eomer
Kath
Lhunardawen
Oddwen
spawn
Wayne

Kath and Oddwen voted for Rune rather late on the Night of his death. They seem innocent (for this awhile at least). Leaving:

Boromir
Eomer
Lhunardawen
spawn
Wayne

So, we kill one toNight. Sauron dreams of another. Leaving us with just three unknowns tomorrow(providing Kath and Oddwen are truly innocent).

I'm alright with getting rid of Wayne toNight. Now that all three gifteds have come forward, I'm thinking Wayne might actually be a hero. Rather than retype my reason, I'll just quote myself.

Originally Posted by Gil-Gurth; post 220

Let me explain. Usually, in his first post of a game, Wayne hints what his role is, usually with capital letters or bolded letters spelling something out. I specifically noticed that he did not this game. The only reasons he wouldn't are if he were a hero or Sauron. I know he's been a Ranger or Hunter before and still gave his hint.

Okay, suddenly, while finding the above quote from myself, I fell across this from Wayne.

Originally Posted by WaynetheGoblin; post 192

Werewolfs take the lead yae it looks like menel is innicent for being first to vote for rune i think the heros might of gone for him. i do not suspect kath as much now i didnt know that was the reason she didnt vote on night 1.that is all i have to say good bye.

This didn't make sense to me before, so I just passed it off, since I usually can't make sense from what Wayne says. Now it's much clearer. If Wayne was a hero, he would of course know that Menel was innocent, and he would have known that the heros went after him. It makes all too much sense looking back with that knowledge, so I now am pretty certain Wayne is a hero.

So, quoting myself again:

Originally Posted by Gil-Gurth; post 220

But which is he? I'm not sure, but I do find it a bit strange that Wayne first mentions Eomer, and now Eomer is suddenly making a case against Wayne. If Wayne is a hero, then Eomer is likely innocent. If Wayne is Sauron, then perhaps Eomer is a hero.

Yet now I'm wondering if perhaps Eomer wasn't going to try to start a case against Wayne just to make himself look innocent. Try to get him killed and then say that he was the first to suggest it. Strangely, Eomer's comment was lost in all that happened last Night, and I notice now that he hasn't really said anything about Wayne. It's not a lot, but it make sense to me.

I'm really thinking that Wayne and Eomer might be the two remaining heroes. I think we should kill Wayne toNight and kindly ()ask the Lord Saurondacil to dream of Eomer.

[WaynetheGoblin]

I already posted my reasons before.

++fearel

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by WaynetheGoblin

I already posted my reasons before.

++fearel

With this it is clear that either Wayne is a hero or somebody who cares not to read anything that has been written. Which is it Wayne? Guilty or hopelessly obtuse?

What we need to do is orchestrate a double devouring. The reason is we have 5 innocents, including Farael, and 7 unknowns. We kill 2 unknowns leaving it 5 to 5 (with the chance of getting a Hero or two). Heroes will kill one tonight but we dream of one so it is 5 known and 4 unknown. One more double devouring should take care of it if not next day the numbers are still in our favor. Even if the kill Farael who takes down another unknown innocent we still have the numbers, but these must be utilized while we still have them. As Lord Sauron states these lives are sacrificial and acceptable to do. Formendacil can you please help orchestrate this. It would be best to kill Wayne today for many reasons, not least because one of our innocents already voted him.

[Boromir88]

I don't expect anyone to believe me, but I'm going to say it anyway and you will be held accountable for your own actions. I am a regular wolf, accept it, or don't, you will be held accountable, so to me this leaves:

Eomer
Kath
Lhuna
Oddwen
Spawn
Wayne

Ok, so as long as Mith didn't protect Formendacil last night, we can still get one more day from our Sauron, and he can dream of one of the 6 above (Or even me if he wants to confirm my innocence for everyone).

It looks to me like Wayne is going to be one of the candidates tonight, as I do fully agree with Mormegil in that his actions deserve his devouring.

Another one who hasn't gone much talked about and I'm worried about is Eomer. I don't really know why, can't really explain it, but Day 1 he voted for Morm, day 2 he voted for Kitanna. Both now known innocents, also his vote for Kitanna came at a time when Spawn was in the lead, Mormegil

So right now,

Wayne, Eomer, and Spawn are my targets.

Wayne's vote for Farael only makes me think more of his guilt.

[Formendacil]

It seems that Wayne's death, with Mithalwen having already voted for him, is a foregone conclusion, for whether he be guilty or no, I think purpose to use that vote as the platform of at least one of our devourings.

But who should be Wayne's partner in death? Our list of "not-innocents" includes:

Boromir
Eomer
Kath
Lhunardawen
Oddwen
spawn

And although I will be sorely humiliated if Farael is, in fact, guilty, I am inclined to agree with my servant Morm and think him innocent.

So, of these six potential death-mates for Wayne, I am thinking that Lhuna, Kath, and Oddwen are to be put in one camp: the quieter, less guilty-seeming, while Eomer, Boromir, and Dancing Spawn belong to the "coming up on more possibly guilty lists, and are very dangerous if they are heroes" party.

I am thinking that I would prefer to arrange a double-lynching that culls the second party rather than the first. This means that I thinking that I wish to pair Wayne with either Boromir, Eomer, or Dancing Spawn. With the mention that has been made thus far of Eomer, he seems the most likely to merit my wrath, but I am open to discussion on the subject.

~Saurondacil~

[Kath]

Woah! Woah woah woah - since when are we definitely doing a double lynching! I know it's unlikely now that Farael will be killed toDay and so take another innocent with him by accident but even so! Double lynchings should be used in last resorts surely.

I want Wayne gone and perhaps one of the group you just mentioned but isn't it better to wait out the Day? I mean yes it might make the whole thing take longer but the risk of taking out innocents ourselves is surely too high! I'd prefer to see if Wayne is guilty and then go back and look at who voted for him (or not) to determine who we should consider next.

[mormegil]

I would say, if we are to choose from the second list, that Boromir goes first.

Kath seems a bit petulant to be a runt but perhaps that would be more of a spite vote.

[Farael]

Originally Posted by dancing spawn of ungoliant

Formendacil, thank you for revealing yourself! We have now five proven wolves (I'm not doubting Farael) and a couple of others who are likely to be true lycans as well.

So, the heroes are on this list (right?):

Boromir
Eomer
Kath
Lhunardawen
mormegil
Oddwen
spawn
Wayne

Spawn, I think Formendacil said Mormegil was innocent.

Having Sauron step forward and Morm being disregarded, Boromir is looking more suspicious right now. He did insinuate he had some 'inside knowledge' from Melkor but I disregarded that as keeping in character. Maybe he was trying to hint being someone he was not? He was also defending me and even if I was killed, he'd not only look alright but he would make sure I did not choose him to die along with me.

Correct me if I'm wrong, Dragulin may now protect Formendacil which means we'd have him for at least another night, we can devour someone and therefore that list of seven (taking morm out) turns into a list of five possible heroes. Right now things don't look as dire as they did, do they?

I might have not played the best game, but killing me for revenge's sake will only help the heroes. As I said before, if there's another one willing to claim to be Carcharoth, step forward!

[Mithalwen]

Certainly it will be me or him. And I can protect him and noone can protect me. Obviously it is better that he survives than I do..... and so yes.. though they will surely go for me knowing Sauron is protected.

[Mithalwen]

Right really have to go so ... on my "early posting is suspicious" - I must revert to my earlier reasoning before the red mist settled.

Glirdan proved innocent by his death.

Mormegil proved innocent by the word of Saurondacil

... so Wayne..... the only doubt is would a wolf be so disinterested? Saying he forgot ...... but I cannot wait any longer .... he hasn't actually contributed a lot but a known tendancy to be erratic is a useful cover ....... and so no offence

++ WAYNE THE GOBLIN

[Kath]

Right, excuse the list repeating but I need to get some things clear in my head.

Innocent (including me):
Formendacil
morm (darn)
Mithalwen
Farael
Gurthang
Kath

Possible Heroes:
Eomer
spawn
Wayne
Oddwen
Lhuna
Boromir

However, I'm still finding Eomer and spawn innocent and now Oddwen - and sorry Eomer I can't really explain why. Most of my game has been based on feelings, some wrong admittedly, but some right.

So that leaves:
Wayne
Lhuna
Boromir

I certainly don't want to kill Lhuna before she's had a chance to speak for herself, but since Wayne is unlikely ever to really speak for himself past maybe a quick list with no reasons and a random or bandwaggoning vote, I would be fine voting for him. So, unless he appears and gives one hell of a reason not to vote for him, that's where mine will go toDay.

Also, by the look of what's been happening toNight, Mith will protect Formendacil toDay and be killed by the Heroes, and then Formendacil tomorrow. So, if he's around, I'd like to know who Formendacil is planning on dreaming about. If he tells us we can make sure we don't kill that person toNight, he can dream about them toDay and tell us tomorrow. Since there are only two Heroes left they can't affect the voting too much so there shouldn't be a danger with that idea.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Very interesting. I suppose Mithalwen dies tonight and Formendacil the next night. I wonder who he will use his last dream on...

I know who I want Formy to dream about; but I'll keep this wish to myself until later. I'm not sure if he'll want me trying to change his mind so I'll keep quiet for now.

I'm less worried about all this revealing of the gifteds now. We have a huge advantage in numbers and it looks as if we can take excellent advantage of this. I'll be back before the deadline to cast my vote. At this stage, I think I'll vote for Wayne again.