Tol-in-Gaurhoth XV-The Villagers Strike Back!

[mormegil]

Spawn, No I am an innocent while I justly incurred the wrath of Lord Sauron he knows I am his loyal servant.

Lord Sauron *muttering* Sorry Lord...I was merely trying to help.

Will you help to organize some devourings so that we can increase our chance of surviving. If we have some known innocents double devourings make sense because we need to capilalize on this advantage while we have it.

Formendacil
Mithalwen
Gurthang
Mormegil

Truly known innocent.

Farael

Most likely innocent

That is 5. Let's use this to our advantage.

Originally Posted by Spawn

And now the double devouring idea of his which includes Wayne is a bit odd. If he thinks Wayne is a hero, won't one hero at a time be enough when the odds are that we'd take a regular wolf down with him - or even worse, our Seer - and the last hero would have one less innocent to worry about. If morm, however, thinks that Wayne is just annoying, he'd be eliminating an innocent vote and the heroes' chances to survive would grow better. Or am I just missing something?

It's a matter of principle if one truly isn't actively participating I don't feel that they should be alive to participate. That is why I say off with Wayne.

One the plus side we will have at least one more dream from Sauron as Mithalwen can protect him...if you happened to last night don't say so please.

[Gurthang]

Originally Posted by mormegil

One the plus side we will have at least one more dream from Sauron as Mithalwen can protect him...if you happened to last night don't say so please.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

Thank you Lord Sauron! It's nice to know that people can trust me for a change. I'm also very relieved to be sure of mormegil's innocence, I already believed Mith completely.

Now, to business. We have, as other's pointed out, 5 known innocents. I believe Farael, for now at least, as we have no one coming against her. Leaving those five out, we've got:

Boromir
Eomer
Kath
Lhunardawen
Oddwen
spawn
Wayne

Kath and Oddwen voted for Rune rather late on the Night of his death. They seem innocent (for this awhile at least). Leaving:

Boromir
Eomer
Lhunardawen
spawn
Wayne

So, we kill one toNight. Sauron dreams of another. Leaving us with just three unknowns tomorrow(providing Kath and Oddwen are truly innocent).

I'm alright with getting rid of Wayne toNight. Now that all three gifteds have come forward, I'm thinking Wayne might actually be a hero. Rather than retype my reason, I'll just quote myself.

Originally Posted by Gil-Gurth; post 220

Let me explain. Usually, in his first post of a game, Wayne hints what his role is, usually with capital letters or bolded letters spelling something out. I specifically noticed that he did not this game. The only reasons he wouldn't are if he were a hero or Sauron. I know he's been a Ranger or Hunter before and still gave his hint.

Okay, suddenly, while finding the above quote from myself, I fell across this from Wayne.

Originally Posted by WaynetheGoblin; post 192

Werewolfs take the lead yae it looks like menel is innicent for being first to vote for rune i think the heros might of gone for him. i do not suspect kath as much now i didnt know that was the reason she didnt vote on night 1.that is all i have to say good bye.

This didn't make sense to me before, so I just passed it off, since I usually can't make sense from what Wayne says. Now it's much clearer. If Wayne was a hero, he would of course know that Menel was innocent, and he would have known that the heros went after him. It makes all too much sense looking back with that knowledge, so I now am pretty certain Wayne is a hero.

So, quoting myself again:

Originally Posted by Gil-Gurth; post 220

But which is he? I'm not sure, but I do find it a bit strange that Wayne first mentions Eomer, and now Eomer is suddenly making a case against Wayne. If Wayne is a hero, then Eomer is likely innocent. If Wayne is Sauron, then perhaps Eomer is a hero.

Yet now I'm wondering if perhaps Eomer wasn't going to try to start a case against Wayne just to make himself look innocent. Try to get him killed and then say that he was the first to suggest it. Strangely, Eomer's comment was lost in all that happened last Night, and I notice now that he hasn't really said anything about Wayne. It's not a lot, but it make sense to me.

I'm really thinking that Wayne and Eomer might be the two remaining heroes. I think we should kill Wayne toNight and kindly ()ask the Lord Saurondacil to dream of Eomer.

[WaynetheGoblin]

I already posted my reasons before.

++fearel

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by WaynetheGoblin

I already posted my reasons before.

++fearel

With this it is clear that either Wayne is a hero or somebody who cares not to read anything that has been written. Which is it Wayne? Guilty or hopelessly obtuse?

What we need to do is orchestrate a double devouring. The reason is we have 5 innocents, including Farael, and 7 unknowns. We kill 2 unknowns leaving it 5 to 5 (with the chance of getting a Hero or two). Heroes will kill one tonight but we dream of one so it is 5 known and 4 unknown. One more double devouring should take care of it if not next day the numbers are still in our favor. Even if the kill Farael who takes down another unknown innocent we still have the numbers, but these must be utilized while we still have them. As Lord Sauron states these lives are sacrificial and acceptable to do. Formendacil can you please help orchestrate this. It would be best to kill Wayne today for many reasons, not least because one of our innocents already voted him.

[Boromir88]

I don't expect anyone to believe me, but I'm going to say it anyway and you will be held accountable for your own actions. I am a regular wolf, accept it, or don't, you will be held accountable, so to me this leaves:

Eomer
Kath
Lhuna
Oddwen
Spawn
Wayne

Ok, so as long as Mith didn't protect Formendacil last night, we can still get one more day from our Sauron, and he can dream of one of the 6 above (Or even me if he wants to confirm my innocence for everyone).

It looks to me like Wayne is going to be one of the candidates tonight, as I do fully agree with Mormegil in that his actions deserve his devouring.

Another one who hasn't gone much talked about and I'm worried about is Eomer. I don't really know why, can't really explain it, but Day 1 he voted for Morm, day 2 he voted for Kitanna. Both now known innocents, also his vote for Kitanna came at a time when Spawn was in the lead, Mormegil

So right now,

Wayne, Eomer, and Spawn are my targets.

Wayne's vote for Farael only makes me think more of his guilt.

[Formendacil]

It seems that Wayne's death, with Mithalwen having already voted for him, is a foregone conclusion, for whether he be guilty or no, I think purpose to use that vote as the platform of at least one of our devourings.

But who should be Wayne's partner in death? Our list of "not-innocents" includes:

Boromir
Eomer
Kath
Lhunardawen
Oddwen
spawn

And although I will be sorely humiliated if Farael is, in fact, guilty, I am inclined to agree with my servant Morm and think him innocent.

So, of these six potential death-mates for Wayne, I am thinking that Lhuna, Kath, and Oddwen are to be put in one camp: the quieter, less guilty-seeming, while Eomer, Boromir, and Dancing Spawn belong to the "coming up on more possibly guilty lists, and are very dangerous if they are heroes" party.

I am thinking that I would prefer to arrange a double-lynching that culls the second party rather than the first. This means that I thinking that I wish to pair Wayne with either Boromir, Eomer, or Dancing Spawn. With the mention that has been made thus far of Eomer, he seems the most likely to merit my wrath, but I am open to discussion on the subject.

~Saurondacil~

[Kath]

Woah! Woah woah woah - since when are we definitely doing a double lynching! I know it's unlikely now that Farael will be killed toDay and so take another innocent with him by accident but even so! Double lynchings should be used in last resorts surely.

I want Wayne gone and perhaps one of the group you just mentioned but isn't it better to wait out the Day? I mean yes it might make the whole thing take longer but the risk of taking out innocents ourselves is surely too high! I'd prefer to see if Wayne is guilty and then go back and look at who voted for him (or not) to determine who we should consider next.

[Farael]

I would probably object a double devouring if it wasn't because of Wayne. The guy has said nothing and helped in nothing.... there is absolutely no evidence against him, conversely there is no evidence for him. If anything, there's a little evidence against.

I think Wayne has annoyed too many people, we've had a known innocent voting against him so It'll be hard to find out anything from the rest of the people voting against him.

I'd guess that everyone wants to vote for him. Innocents because his lack of writing (and perhaps reading?) is fairly suspicious and annoying at best and the remaining Hero because Wayne will be short lived and it's a good chance to look innocent to the rest of us.

I say those more experienced than myself organize a good double-devouring, getting Wayne out of the way and hopefully a hero. I guess I shall defer to Sauron and Morm, for they are experienced and insightful... but of course, anyone else (who dares) is welcome to offer better grounds for tonight's action than myself.

[Farael]

Cross posted with morm... as you are more experienced in this kind of things than myself, would you care collecting some evidence against Boromir if you really suspect him? I would not know where to start.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Kath

Woah! Woah woah woah - since when are we definitely doing a double lynching!

Since I gave my assent to the plan.

Or are you questioning the Lord Sauron's wisdom?

Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant is just as acceptable to me as the others. The official changing of the plan to become a double-lynching of Wayne and Dancing Spawn is herewith given Angbandian approval.

Originally Posted by mormegil

It would be nice to have Gurthang, Formendacil and me hang around unil the last hour to clean things up as needed. Let me know if that works.

I would that I could, but alas, the Lord Melkor calls me away to dreams, and I shall not have time to awaken ere hated Arien rises in the East.

If thou two, Mormegil and Gurthang shalt guard the surety of this double-lynching, then I shall take me to my rest, safe in the knowledge that my loyal servants serve me well.

And I shall personally start the Dancing Spawn end of the double-lynch.

By the Power of the Lord Melkor, be she foul Elfling or loyal Werewolf, I cast my vote for the death of

++Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant

[mormegil]

I would say, if we are to choose from the second list, that Boromir goes first.

Kath seems a bit petulant to be a runt but perhaps that would be more of a spite vote.

[Gurthang]

I guess I'm okay with a double devouring. I've already picked who I think the heroes are, so that is who I'd support doing a double to: Wayne and Eomer.

Simply awaiting orders on who to vote for.

[Gurthang]

Farael, I'm not for voting for Wayne just for a lack of writing. I would even say I'm against that (voting just cause he's quiet and sometimes annoying). The reason for my suspicion of him has nothing to do with his lack of speaking; it is because I believe I have found a slip-up in the words he has said. Specifically, the post I quoted where he clears Menel for an extremely flimsy reason that would make a lot more sense coming from a hero.

[Kath]

I want to just take a quick look at Lhuna. I suddenly realised that I've been putting her in the presumed innocent category when I suspected her earlier. All these lists

Lhuna:
Night 1 - suspected Glirdan and immediately wanted to kill Wayne. Then goes straight back against what she said of Glirdan (now saying he's not a Hero) and still wants to kill Wayne, before finally voting for him. Definitely some odd backtracking there.
Night 2 - Rams the fact she thought Glirdan an innocent at us. Suspects no one, giving reasons for possibly suspecting morm and Mith (now known innocents) but won't make an opinion one way or the other. Decides the Heroes would likely be hiding in the Glirdan votes. Makes a list of those who voted for Glirdan - and all except two are now considered innocents (Wayne and Oddwen). Still wants to kill Wayne but votes for Oddwen. So she rags at Wayne all day but never actually votes for him - possibly attacking to distance herself but not really putting him in danger on this Night when he might actually accumulate some votes, unlike the Night before.
Night 3 - Tries to distance herself from Rune and suspects Gurthang for his comments about Menel. Picks apart Rune's posts but says she has found nothing there to go on. Decides Farael is innocent. Votes Gurthang - with very little reasoning that I can see. Mentions that Wayne seemed the most suspicious based on some of Rune's comments, but then seems to leave off him entirely, so not consistent at all.

Also, she is barely mentioned, a great thing for a wolf trying to fly under the radar. She was put about in the middle of Wayne's little suspect list, and Rune (our only known Hero) mentioned that he did not trust her but did not suspect her either. Though spawn also seems to support her.

Looking at that I wouldn't be half surprised if Lhuna were a Hero if Wayne actually is one. But I still don't like this double lynching idea - at least not toNight. We should first find out if Wayne is a Hero.

And please, would someone show me what it is Eomer has done to warrant the suspicion against him?

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Kath

But I still don't like this double lynching idea - at least not toNight. We should first find out if Wayne is a Hero.

Please explain why? I have explained the reasons for it but I would like to know why you are so against it. It seems to me that the only people against it should be a Hero. This is the kind of activity that makes me think that you are perhaps guilty. It matters not if some of us die to save the island, the point is to eliminate these heros and gain victory, which can best be achieved by double killings. Plus it will provide extra meat.

Originally Posted by Farael

and why would you sign up for this game if you are not willing to read?

I ask myself that everytime I play with him

[Lhunardawen]

Well, thanks Kath. I was actually feeling a little weird without anyone suspecting me.

So I see I really have been a bit inconsistent about Wayne. Believe me, I really want him devoured just to spare us all the confusion he's causing, but somehow I'm still hoping he'll speak up a bit more. In any case, I would want him to be one of our devourees toNight because I think I finally had enough of him.

As for Glirdan, I did NOT suspect him the way I think you meant. I was actually trying to tell you all that for me, he doesn't seem to be heroic. I can't see any backtracking that I did that Night, because I was fully consistent (or at least as much as I can possibly be without any certainty) with my opinion that Glirdan is NOT a hero.

I'm a werewolf, I tell you. I wouldn't ask the now-revealed Lord Saurondacil to dream of me, as I think that would be a waste of a dream. But if he would, then by all means. I have nothing to hide. And I mean nothing.