Tol-in-Gaurhoth XVI: No man is an Island

[Farael]

Originally Posted by Eluchíl

...My friend Cailin, you should know more than anyone that finger pointers often have the most to hide. Not that I'm accusing anyone myself...

My, my, my... so you are not accusing anyone just mentioning that people who behave like Cailin have the most to hide, eh? Come on, if you want to point fingers go ahead that's what we'll all do before the day is over.

Now, here are my thoughts this early on the day about all of you. Please note the names are in no specific order

Meneltarmacil - What is the deal with this Meneltarmacil man? I know he's been odd since well before we knew about the wolves but who knows how long have those wanna-be big dogs been living among us? I would say that being always weird is the best way of hiding wolfishness

Cailin - In spite of my reply to Eluchil's words, I do think that Cailin pointed too many fingers too early on the day. Maybe it was the anger speaking or the desire to start some arguments going yet not even half of us had had time of saying a word before her rant.

Azaelia - She seems ready to forget about our dearly departed Formendacil and drink herself cheerful, even though we should be using our brains today, not impairing them. Yet I have heard some stories regarding her problems with drinking so I will let it go. For now.

TGWBS - It should be noted that he has not talked yet

Garin - Offered a few mild accusations at the beginning of this day and then mellowed down and said pretty much nothing on his other posts. Still, he looks pretty innocent, as someone who tried to spark some debate and then tried not to stick his neck too far off the line.

Kath - Said nothing besides admitting to be slightly lazy. No wonder how she landed such an awful job. Still, you can't say she has done anything too suspicious for the time being.

Rune - Maybe you would like to have a talk with the werewolves? go ahead, they are three of the twenty people present right now in this town. If you find them I'll even let you talk to them before the lynching. Yet if I were you, I would not talk to them after the sun sets.

Valier - Suspects Azaelia yet offers to lower the prices anyway. Is this a wolf trying to get us drunk and weak or just a well intentioned busineswoman?

Gil-Galad - Has not said anything yet...

Alcarillo - Not talked either

Lhunardawen - I dont think she has waken up yet... how could someone oversleep at times like this I do not know, but some blame things called "timezones". I'm not a doctor so I don't know what those are.

Gurthang - Not talked yet

Amanaduial - Makes three pointless accusations in one speech and then makes a comment about it. Is he trying to cover his bases and pretending to be just 'randomly' calling names while trying to raise suspicion against innocent people?

Naria - If she said something, I must have missed it

Nilpaurion Felagund - I think he has the timezones as well... someone ought to find a cure

Kuruharan -Really, do you NEED to raise the prices at times such as these? I was going to get something from you but now I'll stick to my good wormhunting knife and hopefully stick it on some wolvish throat.

Eluchil - Points a finger against fingerpointing and then says she's not 'accusing anyone'... come on, if you have something to say, SAY IT

Malkatoj - Says that the odds are equal for all of us to be a werewolf yet calls Meneltarmacil out on rolling a dice. Then goes off on a rant about my little comment on my profession yet does not quite accuse me, just warns everyone that he'll be on the look for false reasoning.

Having said all that, I do not who to suspect just yet... or rather, who not to suspect. I'll get back to you later as new thoughts come up.

Edit: for some reason I was missing half a sentence on what I said about Menel. My bad, I only added what was missing

[Farael]

Cross posted with Azaelia and Rune... it seems Azaelia wants to stay sober so I'll take back what I said before for the time being

[Naria]

Coming back after my early morning walk I noticed a crowd gathered by the pub and walked over too see what was going on. I let out a screech at whom I saw lying on the ground. **sniff** He was such a good man, not really noticed by too many, but he had come into my store on occasion and was very polite. He will be missed.

*Looking at the crowd of people* Hmmm, we best be putting our heads together before nightfall and find out who or what did this before one of us is next.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

(I am going to have to vote soon, else I will miss it completely. It isn't my fault, blame my job. Hopefully this won't come up again.)

So here's the list and what I think of everyone who has commented so far.
Meneltarmacil - He seems to be the most singularly suspicious of everyone, muttering and snorting, and OOO-ing, but I'm not sure what to think, it could be an act.
Cailin - hasn't posted enough for me to really get a handle on so far
Farael - know the most about her thoughts, but don't see anything too suspicious thre
TGWBS - silence
Garin - has posted a fair bit, but I still don't feel I know where he stands
Kath - hasn't posted enough yet either
Rune - I'm content to let his peace strategy rest for a while. You never know what might work.
Valier - Always had a soft spot for her ale... but she hasn't posted enough yet
Gil-Galad - nothing so far
Alcarillo - silent
Lhunardawen - silent
Gurthang - silent
Amanaduial - Has posted, but not enough to know
Naria - Just made a post, but not enough there yet
Nilpaurion Felagund - silent
Kuruharan - Don't really like how he's trying to capitalize on our unfortunate situation by raising his weapons prices, (Is he trying to keep them out of our hands?) but he hasn't come up enough to really know
Eluchil - Hasn't come up enough to know
Malkatoj - same as above.

So I'm in a tough spot here.

I agree with all who have said that today will be random name-calling for the most part. , but it doesn't make things any better to know that I will be making an essentially random vote soon.

EDIT: cross-posted with Kuru

[Amanaduial the archer]

Everyone looks innocent? Oh, Kathkathkath...

Originally Posted by Eluchíl

Kind of quick on the trigger, aren't you? You didn't seem to think very hard on it. We are talking about men and women's lives here. Or maybe that doesn't mean anything to you...for some unknown reason...werewolf.

Indeed, Eluchil, it would probably be rather hard to come up with reasons against others if you were in fact the werewolf - suspicious, Lhunardwen.

Amanaduial - Makes three pointless accusations in one speech and then makes a comment about it. Is he trying to cover his bases and pretending to be just 'randomly' calling names while trying to raise suspicion against innocent people?

Well, the opposite of Eluchil in the gender stakes but with the same confusion: I am quite firmly female, thanks As for the comment - I hardly think my accusations were entirely pointless. And even if they were, how is it that you've settled so firmly on my guilt, Farael, yet go as far as to make excuses for Cailin's innocence?! Looks like there's some sort of alliance here, and as I'm not sure what exactly a worm hunter would have to offer a kleptomanic of Cailin's standards - I don't mean to appear rude, but I've heard worm hunting really has to be a passion rather than being in any way a financially-fuelled occupation - this does look a little odd. And it is a little peculiar that, as was mentioned earlier, you were seen skulking around at night; Do the worms really come out at night, Farael? If so, it really is, sorry, would be a rather convenient job for...a werewolf.

I refuse to vote for Nilpaurion, simply on the grounds that he told us to - maybe this is some sort of elaborate double bluff, but I somehow doubt it. Besides, I'm hoping Alice may make an appearance, and she always makes interesting reading. Who knows what hidden secrets can appear in an argument between one man and his subconcious...

Although I agree with Kuruharan on some of his points - such as that which he brought up about whether in fact it is safe at all to sell any armour to potential wolves! - I must admit I am having some trouble with the oppurtunism displayed by both himself and Valier. Take this for example...

Better and better. You’ll run out of hooch right quick now. Then I’ll be able to triple prices

Ah! Could this be an open declaration of wanting to get rid of another villager in order to make more money? A cloaked threat, or just a little healthy competition? Viva la thatcherism, or run for the hills?

And when it utterly refuses to penetrate the wolvish skin (or fur for that matter) you will see the error of your ways

You mean, Kuru, that....that you would consider it to be wrong or foolish to try to kill a wolf?!

Alright, that's it...

++KURUHARAN

(Mainly because I won't be able to make a post probably for the rest of the day, sorry...)

[Valier]

All the accusations!! Personally, I distrust everyone as of late! for anyone notice that a few members of our lovely town have not shown up for the drink specials I am offering,For the death of Formendacil...of course.
Maybe their still sleeping...(late night?) I'm not accusing anyone outright quite yet but it makes me wonder that's all..

(So just to clarify this game day ends at the same time it started today?)

[Naria]

What is with the pushing of the liquor Valier? Want a few of us drunk do we? Hmmmm. Ya know, having most of the town drunk isn't gunna get us any closer to reaching a verdict.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Originally Posted by Valier

All the accusations!! Personally, I distrust everyone as of late! for anyone notice that a few members of our lovely town have not shown up for the drink specials I am offering,For the death of Formendacil...of course.
Maybe their still sleeping...(late night?) I'm not accusing anyone outright quite yet but it makes me wonder that's all..

(So just to clarify this game day ends at the same time it started today?)

(yes, the game ends at 5:00 PM EST tomorrow.)

Apologies for accusing anyone...I am in a tight situation here, and the time has come that I must vote. (I am EST so it's almost 11:00 PM here, and I have school tomorrow)

So for me, voting really will be pretty much random. Doubtless, it's randomosity (whee, I made a new word) and its earliness will cause suspicion and accusations to come raining down on me like, well, rain.

Here's my rationalization, inasmuch as any such thing exists. I don't want to vote for someone silent, so that leaves out Shorty, Gil, Alca, Lhuna, Gurthang, and Nilp. It just isn't fair to vote for someone who hasn't been around to draw suspicion. And it's only been about 6 hours since the game started. I'm willing to cut slack for those who haven't shown up yet, since it's so early on in the game, and the day.

As such, the only truly suspicious person (by profession, nothing more) today is Menel, so he'll get my vote today.

++Meneltarmacil

I'm sorry, it really honestly is nothing personal. You're just trying to attract suspicion, is all.

And should I return to find that I have been lynched, it's been real, everyone. 'Night, all.

ETA: Crossposted with Naria...And to say, apologies again for the early vote, and in advance for my absence after.

[Kuruharan]

We do need to spread the votes out some (especially on DAY ONE).

Just a little reminder.

[Garin]

Azaelia posted

As such, the only truly suspicious person (by profession, nothing more) today is Menel, so he'll get my vote today......Crossposted with Naria...And to say, apologies again for the early vote, and in advance for my absence after.

Fear not Azaelia, I respect your integrity for not forsaking your duty as a villager to defend our safety. It is indeed a random vote and I have yet to decide, you have fulfilled your duty. If you were guilty I expect a more tactful move. However, I have yet to trust any of you and it is my family and my stock that I hold as important.

Garin - has posted a fair bit, but I still don't feel I know where he stands

Too early and so many not heard from, but accusations and rebuttals have revealed much character from our fellow villagers. I don't stand in accusation of anyone until all of our people are heard from. However, remain silent in the face of this crisis and I believe you ( the mute) should and will die. I respect that hours are hard and long on these foresaken plains. I have faith that we will know much more soon.
Farael posted:

Garin - Offered a few mild accusations at the beginning of this day and then mellowed down and said pretty much nothing on his other posts. Still, he looks pretty innocent, as someone who tried to spark some debate and then tried not to stick his neck too far off the line.

You are quite observant Farael, one must stimulate debate but avoid being wolf bait the following evening. I respect your rebuttal and find myself to trust you a bit. Although, I admit to partaking in some sickening grog at the passing of a townsman- fare thee well Form . I hope you find a market for your worms in a town so devoid of fishmongers. Maybe with some spices from Southern Lands we can make them edible.
I will glower over the postings of all as i perch upon my roof and guard my spooked animals from more massacre.

[Garin]

Posted by Gurthang:

I would suggest that the Seer should come out and name the wolf. Now, I know this means certain death for our current Seer, but since we have an Apprentice.

Now what do you suggest of the apprentice, shall he come forth to the slaughter as well? Losing the seer so early would be a blunder since there are more gifteds an apprentice can replace. Let the wolves prey upon a random villager. We should not offer anyone upon a platter, just yet.
Your idea of the gifteds becoming so vocal remind me of an old friend, long dead. I say a true seer can let his knowledge be known without baring his neck for the fangs of the filthy wolves.
I'd hate to stand in accusation Gurthang but I am wary of your suggestion. May our village survive.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Garn! Where's a nice long piece of 'dentulflos' when you need one? I got some pieces of sheep shank stuck in my teeth!

Oh, so someone got his/her/its piece of fresh meat, too, eh? Poor Formendaga* . . . errr . . . Formendacil. But I think I know who killed you.

It's obvious: spawn, Holby, and Eomer are the Werewolves among us. They've been too silent, plus two of them have motives. What more can be said? What do you mean they're not playing???

Crikey. It's back to Plan A, then.

However, given that a certain Nilpaurion Felagund also resides in this village, I believe that he'll probably show up asking to be lynched before long....heh heh (Menel)

You know me too well, my friend.

Lynch me. I'm serious. Do it or else I shall be forced to do the unthinkable and vote for myself. You don't believe me? Fine!

++Nilpaurion Felagund

Let's see if you don't believe me the next time!
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* 'daga' is a familial term of teasing. To Lhuna and I, that is.

[Garin]

Posted by Gil:

also, this is very cobbler-esque, and if Nilp was the cobbler, i wouldn't be surprised if he ran out on the first night... cause Nilp was just crazy like that

If he is a cobbler he is not playing his role very well.
Posted by Cailin:

Then again, this was not wholly unexpected. I’d advise everyone not to vote for Nilp, since his dead will tell us naught and by the by, he is just an attention-seeker, really. Moreover, we might be able to squeeze some sense out of one of his personalities before the end, so I vote for keeping him around for a little while longer.

I tend to agree on this point.

You claim you do not wish to assume the role of a leader, and yet your actions speak differently. I catch you trying to steer the discussion in a certain direction and you’re definitely not as idiotic as you’d wish us to believe.

I stand by my previous statement. I can try to silence a bit but then that would be viewed as suspicious, wouldn't it? By being vocal, I'm literally sticking my neck out. That is why I have such disdain for the silent and am glad so many explain the reasons for being periodically absent.
As for the seer/apprentice situation I am beginning to be swayed towards the idea the more I think about it. So is that suspicious?
I doubt I will cast a retribution vote against Alcarillo. I hold no ill regard towards Cailin although some have already cast suspicion upon he/she in previous posts. I will save my vote for later. Again sticking my neck out. Because early votes can be dismissed as random while later votes can be seen as agenda driven.
Edit: Originally called Cailin a he but that seemed to remember him being a she. I wished they posted sex on public profiles. No, not that kind of sex.

[the guy who be short]

Behold! I return, at the turn of the tide!

Well, mainly to turn the tide, actually.

Now, I was going to focus my attack on either Kuru, Garin or Menel, the other candidates already named, so that they could be killed to save Nilp, even though I suspect none of them.

Fortunately, Rune's vote allowed me to choose more wisely:

++Gil-Galad

The only experienced Werewolver, other than Lhuna, to vote for Nilp.

[Cailín]

I'm not accusing you (TGWBS) of anything,but it seems to me like you are trying to keep us away from something you may know...hmmm like a wolf maybe.

Well, that would seem like an enormously stupid thing to do. Though nothing is impossible.

Originally Posted by Kath

I said earlier that no one seemed to be screaming 'I'm a wolf' (nice pick up there Cailin but even I'm not that stupid),

Huhm, well, you never know. Imagine how stupid I'd feel if you turn out to be a wolf and I had not picked up on this.

So Cailin, any other reasons for suspecting the girl? Or was it a first day random accusation?

Pretty much, yes. I have not much to go on, actually, just as much as all other innocents and may therefore seem rather judgmental. Though I do believe that Nilp is just being himself and I would have preferred to have kept him around for a few more days, he might as well be guilty and I could accept Lhuna’s vote as mere irritation. However, I have a rather high regard for our Potion Pizza Maker and would have thought her vote to be a little more… helpful.

In fact Cailin has come to my attention a few times while reading through this thread. Very quick to accuse but is hanging back on a vote.

Simply because I have not yet seen real suspicious behaviour and I do not wish to jump on the first bandwagon that happens to roll by. Accusing people and pointing fingers is one of my major character flaws, but you must know my childhood was very traumatic.

A Not Very Helpful Review:

Meneltarmacil – Creepy, spiteful, mean and sneaky. Not much difference from before, in short. He is flying below my radar for the moment.
Cailin – Lovely, innocent, as ever.
Azaelia – Was quick to vote with little reasoning, but has not given me any cause to suspect her as of yet. Besides, reasoning is not really something you can do with no evidence at all.
Farael – Strangely enough defended me. Seems to agree with me about the Nilp issue. Voted for Eluchil, which I can sympathize with. Never trust good mannered people.
TGWBS – Well, his posts seem to be as short as himself. Seems to be queerly fond of Nilp.
Garin – One of the most discussed villagers, I think. I’m willing to give him another Day. I mistrust him, though.
Kath – Has all the appearance of an innocent. Of course, appearances deceive. And did I mention she was smelly?
Rune – He makes the most sense to me, as of now, as long as he does not mention Hobbits. I am inclined to believe him innocent.
Valier – Complains about silent people, but contributes little all the same.
Gil-Galad – What can I say about Gil? Do I suspect him? Well, of course.
Alcarillo – Has said little, voted with no reasoning and mysteriously vanished from the scene. I cannot say too much about him.
Lhunardawen – I expressed some sentiments above, but feel like it is of little use to vote for her.
Gurthang – The only one who has had a clever plan so far. Though who knows if he would have proposed it if he did not think the Seer would figure it out himself.
Amanaduial – I have no suspicions of Amanaduial as of yet.
Naria – Seems to be strongly opposed to liquor which makes me suspicious enough.
Nilpaurion Felagund – Pretty much all has been said.
Kuruharan – Seems his regular self. Nasty, dirty profiteer, but wolvish?
Eluchil – Hmm… I have my doubts about this one.
Malkatoj – Has not said much and jumped on the Nilp-wagon. I cannot quite get a grasp on her yet.

Two more votes while I was typing. Seems like Gil is also heading in a possibly dark direction. I rather lose him than Nilp now (apologies, Gil!), so my vote will probably be for him as well. Also, tie breakers are always interesting.

Edit: despite good intentions, cross posted with Meneltarmacil.

[the guy who be short]

I still haven't figured out exactly why I died.

[Kuruharan]

Lack of a better idea at the time.

I'm eagerly awaiting our Moderator's report *prod* *prod* *prod*

[Farael]

Originally Posted by the guy who be short

I still haven't figured out exactly why I died.

My reasoning was to save Naria who had just confirmed her Huntership.... or Hunterdess.... and since you looked suspicious enough (or rather, dangerous enough to have around as a wolf) I voted you. I should have gone with my second idea of ridding ourselves of Malkatoj as she was causing confusion but I was SO VERY TERRIBLY SURE she was innocent... darned!!

[Amanaduial the archer]

Actually, after I was lynched I was convinced that Cailín was the werewolves mastermind who had done the whole thing.

Ah, see, this was what made me laugh in this game: all of you assumed that 'the werewolves' would behave so much more cunningly - I mean, I found myself sitting there thinking, "now, what would the werewolves do..." In actual fact, we were just hanging on by the skin of our teeth. I can't believe we won, that's frankly unbelievable!

Well, a tailless wolf repped me, and it wasn't malka...

Damn straight, Lhuna. Its how I took to signing my reps, because hey, why not Although how this turned out in the end...Malka, excellently played: its incredible, suspicion around you from Day 1, yet you played to the very end - nicely done, nicely done indeed!

My apologies to all who we killed - Lhuna especially, you were on player I really didn't want to kill off, I do apologise, but hey, it had to be done! And I would have given you a much less prolonged death if only that pesky Formendacil hadn't turned up... Cailín, you were also quite especially fantastic to play with.

Thanks all, great game. How the heck...

[Eluchíl]

Originally Posted by Farael

Eluchil - Points a finger against fingerpointing and then says she's not 'accusing anyone'... come on, if you have something to say, SAY IT

*talks as he's washing a few pitchers* For the record I'm quite male. But to the point, I wasn't pointing a finger, I was stating a maxim. I did say what I had to say, and I made my point. People who point fingers usually have something to hide. Period. Now, showing how other's are shady could be an attempt to throw people off your own trail. That is shady in of itself. Perhaps it's you that has an angle to work, eh? *rinses them off*

[Lhunardawen]

I guess it's my fault for letting myself be inflicted with this terrible timezones...

Very well. This is probably not the right thing to do - but really, who knows what is the right thing to do on the first Day? But since he proferred himself...

++NILPAURION FELAGUND

A reluctant bye-bye, all. Please try not to give the wolves too much entertainment.

[Eluchíl]

Originally Posted by Lhunardawen

I guess it's my fault for letting myself be inflicted with this terrible timezones...

Very well. This is probably not the right thing to do - but really, who knows what is the right thing to do on the first Day? But since he proferred himself...

++NILPAURION FELAGUND

A reluctant bye-bye, all. Please try not to give the wolves too much entertainment.

Kind of quick on the trigger, aren't you? You didn't seem to think very hard on it. We are talking about men and women's lives here. Or maybe that doesn't mean anything to you...for some unknown reason...werewolf.

[Meneltarmacil]

Mwa ha ha ha ha ha ha! Yes, I expected that, Nilp.

What is very interesting is Lhunardawen's vote for Nilp. Timezones or no timezones, *heh heh* whatever those are, that looks a little suspicious to me.

[Kath]

I see Nilp has made himself known. And it looks like we've heard from everyone except TGWBS now, I wonder where he's disappeared off too, resting from his eventful Night perhaps?

And 4 votes already:
Menel (Zali)
Garin (Alcarillo)
Nilp (Nilp and Lhuna)

And now master Kuru it appears I am not the only one 'probing' about the Seer, Gurthang has appeared with what I feel is quite a good idea. If the Seer knows about a wolf and has the chance to reveal it to us, without fear that the village would be left Seerless as the Apprentice can later take over and really without fear of death because the Ranger can protect two nights in a row it seems foolproof. But then, there is always some mightily clever person who gets round these foolproof plans, and if that person is a wolf then we have a problem.

The problem I'm having right now is that everyone looks innocent. I mean there are occupations and role related comments, but nothing that screams 'I'm a wolf!'. Even Nilp, who has offered himself up for lynching hasn't claimed to be a wolf, though with him that could be a suspicious move, so voting for him doesn't mean we're voting for a self-proclaimed wolf.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I hoped I should never say this, but I agree with Gurthang.

If the seer gets a wolf and we lock it in a cage, then we have a source that can tell the new seer who's who. If he does not tell then we risk him/her beeing killed by a mistake and that would leave us without a clue.

Before you get all crazy about it then remember that it is only if he/she gets a wolf in one of the first nights.

[Farael]

Originally Posted by Eluchíl

Kind of quick on the trigger, aren't you? You didn't seem to think very hard on it. We are talking about men and women's lives here. Or maybe that doesn't mean anything to you...for some unknown reason...werewolf.

Why, aren't we a little jumpy... I would think it is the lack of experience in these deals talking but tonight I have nothing better to go on and I am afraid I must cast my vote early to make sure I get a vote casted.

The Nilp growing bandwagon is a bad idea. Even if the guy is really guilty I would let him live at least another night and keep an eye on him, as should he be innocent any votes against him will say very little. But it is up to you fellow villagers what you do with your votes. Right now, I chose to go with the one my gut tells me is most likely to be guilty. I may be wrong, but I don't think

++Eluchil

sounds quite alright.

I have to go now, and I may or may not be around later. We will see.... think hard and vote smart my friends.

[Cailín]

Farael - your vote is all well and good but how can you stop a bandwagon by simply adding new names to the already extended group of possible lynchees today? I mean - everyone should vote for the one he deems most suspicious, but it is hardly helpful to all vote for someone else, thus making it easy for wolves to vote wolf on wolf.

I stand by my previous statement. I can try to silence a bit but then that would be viewed as suspicious, wouldn't it? By being vocal, I'm literally sticking my neck out. That is why I have such disdain for the silent and am glad so many explain the reasons for being periodically absent.

I have no wish for you to silence a bit. I just wish to hear more pointed, instead of just general statements, which give you the appearance of being vocal without risking anything.

As for the seer/apprentice situation I am beginning to be swayed towards the idea the more I think about it. So is that suspicious?

No. I think we basically all agree it is a sensible idea. By killing a wolf we'd have a good, reliable replacement when the Seer can no longer appeal to dead Formendacil and with the Apprentice and the Ranger being able to guard the Seer two nights in a row, I think this way we shall make the most use of our Seer as is possible.

I doubt I will cast a retribution vote against Alcarillo. I hold no ill regard towards Cailin although some have already cast suspicion upon him in previous posts.

It's her, thank you very much. ((I wonder why people always assume I am male, when my name could not be more girlish...)). I am glad there are no ill feelings, for I merely meant to illustrate how suspicion might go towards you.

[Garin]

It's her, thank you very much.

Please see that I caught my mistake earlier and added an edit. My apologies.