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Now that I've identified what I want to say...
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Agreed. For many of the film musicals lately (Phantom, Rent)... the film just doesn't do it for me. There is something about going to a theatrical production. I almost always get teary eyed when I walk into the theatre and see the world on stage. I'm hoping the LOTR will be the same for me.
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To be honest, I balked when I read "Lord of the Rings The Musical". But then I was reminded of when I first heard that disiney was doing "Hunchback of Notre Dame". I balked then too. But It turned out to be a great film! If you think about it - LOTR would lend its self well to an opra-like musical. I say give it a chance.
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Well, the stage production does not open for some time yet, but the early previews have been moved back to this Saturday from this Thursday. Here's a local news story about the latest hype. The local paper has a great picture of the RingWraiths, which isn't available online, sadly--it's a bit neat to see how they are being depicted.
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Okay, I found the picture of the actors preparing their RingWraith roles, so here it is. Rumour has it they will be walking down the ailes amongst the audience before taking to the stage.
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Here's Michael Posner's article on the preview performance from last Saturday. Article from The Globe and Mail, Monday February 6,2006.
Perhaps the actors in stilts in the picture I posted previously are the Ents. Some time ago, rumours had it that the Black Riders would ride down through the audience towards the stage on some kind of stilt contraption. Who knows what wonders of stage machinery await viewers! And who knows what Tolkien would have made of that kind of machinery. ![]() Quote:
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Oh, I've seen the stilt contraptions the Black Riders use... they are friggin' sweet!
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Feature from today's Times On-Line:http://entertainment.timesonline.co....073645,00.html
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Radio Four review of the musical
Reviewed on BBC Radio Four's 'Front Row'. Doesn't sound too promising
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Here are some photos from the musical production: Playbill news
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An older article from The Star
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Read this review in The Times this morning.
Times Review The reviewer gives it an impressive four stars and suggests that the dazzling spectacle and magical moments vastly outweigh the few weak points (the performances of Galadriel and Gandalf are noted as the main weak points). Quote:
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BBC TV news report here - with scenes from the show:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/ Click 'Watch News in Video', go to Entertainment News & its the top report.. |
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Is Galadriel the one with the white spiky headdress in the BBC news report? Wasn't too impressed with that...and I *loathe* power-ballads (she sings one, according to the TImes review)...other than that I think it looked rather fun.
I agree that the Front Row reviewer didn't make it sound good. But the Times thing was cheery. I'll go when it comes to London, I think. (And look out for a lawyer puffing away feverishly outside in the interval... ![]() Any more reviews anywhere?
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Well, the local review is not nearly as forgiving:
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An article yesterday about Michael Therriault, the actor who plays Gollem, has his very interesting take on the character. Gollem, Therriault says, is someone not at home with his soul. Interesting stuff here on his preparation for the role. Most reviews say his performance as Gollem is the standout role.
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And the reviews reach Philly...
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Here in the UK, the Guardian and the Observer, as well as the Times review quoted earlier, quite liked it. The Telegraph did not.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.../btrings24.xml http://arts.guardian.co.uk/reviews/o...739487,00.html http://arts.guardian.co.uk/reviews/s...739173,00.html Hmmm...I quite rate the opinions of Charles Spencer (the Telegraph bloke) so now I'm worried if I'm going to like it...
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So do I Lalaith but it is quite clear that he doesn't like the book, and probably liked the films as action films blah blah.... I guess he was never going to be into it .. as ahs been discussed elsewhere there is a section of the Literati who dislike Tolkien on principle and othere who genuinely don't get it - and that doesn't stop them having good judgement in other areas
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If ya'll want to see the musical and have a LOTR packed weekend... check out going to this event in July...
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Bit late, but hey. I don't think this article is among the ones posted above.
Quest ends with awe-inspiring live 'Rings' By MICHAEL KUCHWARA Associated Press Toronto - In two shabby warehouses on the edge of the Don River Valley, a determined, some might say foolhardy, band of theatrical adventurers tries to conquer Middle-earth. Advertisement At 185 Eastern Ave., a giant revolve - with 17 lifts - is in place as hobbits and elves scurry up and down the gargantuan steel structure. Upstairs, a triumphant, majestic melody thunders. A few doors away, at 153 Eastern, the Battle of Mordor rages across a room that could fit a jumbo jet. Bit by expensive bit, a lavish stage version of J.R.R. Tolkien's "The Lord of the Rings" is coming to life. If Tolkien's three-part saga about that elusive ring is one of those mammoth, legendary adventures, a quest to end all quests, it has nothing on the task of turning the author's lengthy, meticulously detailed world into a piece of theater. Yet, here it comes - a three-hour-plus adaptation of Tolkien's trilogy. Now in previews for a March 23 opening at the Princess of Wales Theatre, the show has a cast of nearly 60 actors and costs upward of $23 million - and counting. By comparison, "The Phantom of the Opera," which cost a record $8 million when it opened on Broadway in 1988, would have a $12 million price tag today. And the production has some unusual financial backing, including the provincial government of Ontario, which has contributed $2.5 million to the show's budget. And if "The Lord of the Rings" is a success here, London's West End and Broadway will beckon. Started before Jackson Like all epic journeys, this one began with the tenacious vision of one man - a quiet, unassuming Irishman from Limerick named Kevin Wallace. This one-time actor found his way into producing after working for Andrew Lloyd Webber, a man who knows a little something about spectacle himself. Wallace didn't have the original idea for the stage version of "The Lord of the Rings." A musical adaptation had been floating around since the late 1990s. It was this take on Tolkien's novels that first sparked his interest, even before the phenomenal success of Peter Jackson's movie trilogy that was released over a three-year period, starting in 2001. "We're not putting the films on stage. We're putting the books on stage," Wallace says of Tolkien's three novels that chronicle the adventures of Frodo, Sam, Gollum, Gandalf the wizard, Aragorn, Arwen and more. That draft was created by book writer and lyricist Shaun McKenna, whose eclectic subjects for other shows have included the celebrated Swiss miss Heidi and French painter Toulouse Lautrec. Written in the late 1990s, this "Rings" musical adaptation "always was about to happen but never did," McKenna says. Wallace saw McKenna's version in 2001. Intrigued but not entirely satisfied, Wallace hired Matthew Warchus, who came aboard not only to direct but to co-author the book and lyrics. Work began in earnest in 2003 after approval had been granted by Saul Zaentz, who owned the film and stage rights to the property. Their collaboration radically changed the stage "Rings," and with the change came escalating costs. "It was clearly going to become very big. You can't do 'The Lord of the Rings' with two sticks and a couple of chairs," McKenna says. If there is one thing this production is not, it is not a musical, Wallace emphasizes. But the show is filled with music - a score supplied by Bollywood composer A.R. Rahman and a Finnish folk group called Varttina. At one choral rehearsal, the music sounded vaguely operatic as more that two dozen singers lifted their voices in what was an almost fervent prayer. "Attempts to make a conventional musical out of 'The Lord of the Rings' could only be done by trivializing the novel," says Warchus. Choreographer Peter Darling, who created the dances for the London hit "Billy Elliott," joined after Warchus urged him to listen to a Varttina recording. "Much of the dancing is based on musical folk ideas," he says. Darling didn't work closely with the composers, although he knew certain sequences needed to be danceable. Rob Howell, who designed the sets and costumes, was presented with a very specific challenge: how to do justice to the book while not aping the look of the film or the books' illustrations. He knew it was impossible to put everything on stage, but consoled himself knowing "there is an acceptance by the audience that they are going to be invited to play with their imaginations." The stage will not be empty, though. While trying not to give away too much of what the show will look like, he calls the design "very organic, an environmental production." The mammoth turntable set - part of some 40 tons of scenery that took more than a year to build - was constructed in England, put together to be tested, then taken apart and sent by ship to Canada for installation. 5-hour preview The company showcases some of Canada's best actors, including the ethereal Brent Carver, a Tony winner for "Kiss of the Spider Woman," who plays Gandalf. At the center, though, is an unknown, James Loye, a chipper 26-year-old from Bristol, England, with masses of dark, curly hair and an engaging manner. Loye plays Frodo, the Hobbit hero, the bearer of the one ring who is at the center of Tolkien's story. The curtain went up Feb. 4 at the Princess of Wales Theatre for the first public preview of "The Lord of the Rings." Some 2,000 theatergoers attended the performance, which lasted nearly five hours - including 50 minutes of intermissions and a 15-minute stop for technical glitches, according to the Globe and Mail.
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Staged 'Rings' gets grand praise, but not from critics
By BETH DUFF-BROWN Associated Press Posted: March 31, 2006 Toronto - Though theater critics were tepid in their reviews of the stage version of J.R.R. Tolkien's "The Lord of the Rings," the granddaughter of the legendary English author praised it for staying true to his classic tale. Advertisement In town late last month for the lavish world premiere at the Princess of Wales Theatre, Rachel Tolkien said she admired the opulent sets and Finnish music and felt the 3 1/2-hour spectacle was a lovely retelling of her grandfather's Middle-earth saga. "The set is incredible, the costumes are beautiful," said Tolkien, 35, adding that "The Hobbit" was first read to her when she was 6 years old. "Everything to me that is the most important, and the most moving in the book, they've gotten on the stage. I think it's an amazing feat to have made 'The Lord of the Rings' in three-and-a-half hours." Tolkien, who runs an art gallery in the south of France, said she wondered if her grandfather's story, adapted by Shaun McKenna and director Matthew Warchus, would borrow from the wildly successful film trilogy by Peter Jackson. "I was just curious to see whether the film would influence the flavor of the stage set, and I don't think it did," she said. "I think it's quite different and original." Some critics said it was too different and original for the audience to comprehend. The New York Times called the production "a murky, labyrinthine wood from which no one emerges with head unmuddled, eyes unblurred or eardrums unrattled." The Toronto Star dubbed it "bored of the Rings," and Associated Press theater critic Michael Kuchwara called the production "a case of imagination overwhelmed by complexity." Billed as the most expensive musical ever at $25 million, Toronto is pinning its hopes on the show revitalizing the city's beleaguered theater industry, which has never fully recovered from the SARS outbreak in the spring of 2003. The city lost an estimated $1 billion in tourism dollars, after 44 people died of the respiratory syndrome.
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I have wonderful news!! The Performing Arts students in my school will have the wonderful opportunity to go see the musical this fall!! I can't wait!! This is going to be the experience of a lifetime!!
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In less than two months I'll be able to give my personal review.
I'm on the committee for The Gathering of the Fellowship as the Stage Liason... so, I'm hoping that I'll get an up close and personal view of it. I can't wait to see it... I just can't wait for my vacation, really. Anyone else going to The Gathering? |
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This just in, posted on the Toronto Star website:
Lord of the Rings musical to close September 3rd and reopen in London next May There go plans to see it in late September with some Downers. I suppose I can hustle and get summer tickets though. Sort of like, I walked the decks of the Titanic before it sailed. ![]() |
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I understand that The Dominion is the only suitable theatre for this in London, so it must mean that We Will Rock You is moving on. I wonder if the truth is that they've just been waiting for this to happen?
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Well, it came to Toronto with strong government and business support only after the suitable London theatres were not available, although now Toronto looks a bit like an entire preview run. It is a huge production. The Princess of Wales theatre has something over 35 stage elevators just to handle the sets.
It is sad for the theatre and arts community here. It would have been great for local actors, dancers, everyone in theatre here, had the show been successful. I suppose I'll be seeing Wicked this fall now instead. And then there's an incredible production of The Magic Flute, presented in baroque style dance and staging... oh, sorry, off topic... ![]() I did see a fabulous Hobbit here at a children's theatre, but that wasn't a musical. |
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What horrible timing! I wanted to see it in mid-September; couldn't they wait just two weeks?! Oh well, London's not far, so if I can get bargain flight prices, I'll go see it there...
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According to today's news stories in The Globe and Mail, Lal, the mega-not-quite-a-musical is moving to the "Theatre Royal Drury Lane" according to the front page story by Kate Taylor, former theatre critic.
Here's a post mortem by the Globe's theatre critic, who of course was one of the initial nay-sayers and so who is going to defend his position after yesterday's complaints that once again the local critics were harsher than the Brit crits. (Actually, this is a recurrent thread in Canadian cultural life, that local always gets a harsher view than imports. Colonial insecurities still.) Quote:
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A report today in the Globe claims that there are plans for a German production of the show for 2008. Won't Sharkey be happy!
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Sorry to hear this. I was hoping for a great success eventually followed by a touring company.
It's interesting... We rant and rave at PJ (myself included), but the one thing he could certainly do was put bodies in the seats. Admittedly, it's a far cry from a mass market movie audience to a $120 ticket for a stage show. But, whatever the medium, any work of art must have an audience. I just wonder how much of this "failure" was the difficulty that JRRT identified--the problem of condensing such a long tale into a single production. So far I can't remember a single instance of the LotR being successfully adapted into a single film or play. If anyone else can, please let me know. Even Ralph Bakshi ended up truncating the production, ostensibly for monetary reasons. Thanks Bb for passing on this news. Even before I read this post, I noticed on e-bay that a few folk were "dumping" their memorabilia from the play. I just don't have a good feeling about the long range fate of this production, but I hope I am wrong.
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Ok, so I saw the musical about a month ago... and here's my shortish SPOILERISH review:
Hobbits: The Hobbits were handled the best out of any of the characters. They took some time in the beginning to set up a little background about them and to give you a good idea of what kind of people they were. Their spirit and care free nature was well shown. Frodo and Sam's relationship didn't get explained much in the beginning, but they were the best represented characters in the whole musical. In Mordor they had a great song about that tied into the part in the book where they are talking about the great stories and wondering if they'll ever be in one. It had a sweet melody and great lyrics... I got teary... they tied Gollum into it well, too, and showed how he used to be a Hobbit. Merry and Pippin were ok, but rushed. However, when they first joined up with Frodo and Sam they all had a great traveling song to the theme of "The Road Goes Ever On and On." Merry and Pippin did meet Treebeard, and the Ents were sort of cool, but their time on stage was brief. One thing that made fans happy too... The Scouring... it was there... but Bill Ferny played the role that Wormtongue would've otherwise played. Elves: The second best represented. Lothlorien was great in that the whole Fellowship was blind folded (for Gimli's sake)... which was left out of the movies. Galadriel, however, was odd... it was mainly her costume. She had a lovely song about Lothlorien, though... but I think it was a wee bit too long. Arwen was handled nicely... in fact, I think the romance between her and Aragorn showed better in the musical than it did in the movie. I got teary from that too! Men: The world of men was poorly handled. Aragorn was underdeveloped, Boromir was kinda of one dimensional, Theoden had no depth, Eowyn was there but they didn't mention any relevance to the fact of her killing the Withcking, Faramir and Denethor were non existant because they never went to Gondor. There was only one battle that was kind of a combination of Helm's Deep and the Black Gates. It was handled ok, but still... no depth. Technical stuff: The puppetry was great! Shelob was handled very well... the Black Riders were awesome looking... The Balrog had nice effects, but had it not been for the effects I think it would've looked like a giant pinata. Other characters: I didn't like Gandalf. Brent Carver is a fine actor and I've always wanted to see him in something, but he wasn't Gandalf... but I could've told you that when he was first announced as being cast in that role. Legolas and Gimli were just there because they sorta had to be... nothing much about them. That's it, in a nutshell... I'll be happy to answer any questions anyone has about it. |
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Christmas came early for me .....
yesterday when my darling god-daughter showed me her birthday present form her uncle which was a pair of tickets for the first night in London and said "Do you want one of these?"
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