WWJ III - Nan Qualinmerë: Death Wish Valley

[Shelob]

Garin, they're probably harping on you a lot because you voted for Ang right after Ang posted. Had you voted for anyone else then only the early timing of your vote would have drawn notice.

Let's play Suspect vs Suspect. Shelob, what do you think of Garin? Garin, what do you think of Shelob?

Here's another idea, let's play suspect versus accuser, you up for that Mr. Inquisitor?

I wouldn't be averse to drawing attention to myself

Excellent, so now you can't say "but I'm talkative, ergo I'm no wolf". You yourself have said that you wouldn't mind drawing attention.

At the moment I am concentrating my sights on Garin and the three Eonwe voters...I seem to be suspecting Garin, Shelob and Kath most

That was quite the turnaround there, and all in one post. Somehow you've managed to accuse the only person to vote for you, and three who voted for a now known innocent at the begining of your spiel, and by the end have dropped two of those who voted for said innocent while adding me to your list.

[of Fea] that definitively indicts you as a wolf!

And yet she appears nowhere on your later lists, if she's "definitively" a wolf you'd think you'd pay more attention to her. Unless labeling people as wolves has descended to the level of a joke...in which case we may as well give up the hunt now and let the wolves take us all.

If I was the Seer

Actually, it's "If I were", maybe this "definitively indicts you as a wolf!"

no less than two-Thinlomien and Shelob

So once again you've got someone you feel certain is a wolf...and yet later I'm only second on your list of suspicious persons. Tell me, if you're so sure I'm a wolf shouldn't I be first on your list of suspicious people? And wouldn't it make more sense to press other people (Garin for example, since he's now highest on your list, or Fea whom you also said is obviously) a wolf.

Finally, isn't it odd that the two people you've stated are obviously wolves are the two people we're clearly being made to focus on? It seems a little strange to me that you're either dumb enough to fall into that trap, or dumb enough to keep pressuring it, trying to make people believe it, as it were.

Now, now, not to accuse you friend Ang, not directly anyway...but there's enough there for me to feel fine voting for you....


As for Garin, I'll note he fell for it.

but will not change my vote just yet...now that I look at Ang's vote...Abercrombie is not out of the woods.

Three things. Firstly, thanks, "will not change my vote, oh what they hey". Appreciate it. Appreciate more you taking my advice to put more people under pressure. Secondly, Ang's vote? from yesterday? because unless I'm mistaken Ang hasn't voted yet today. Thirdly, where did Abers come from? You'd mentioned her once, with no grand stress to finding her wolfish, and now she's a cantidate for your vote?


Hey, guess when I started typing this? That's right, imediately after post 107, 45 odd minutes ago! At least I've been keeping myself updated on what's happened in said time...

[Anguirel]

Oh fair Shelob, that was beautiful. I'll get back to you on it; eighteen minutes won't do it justice...

[Garin]

Valesse: How random is that? You voted for Anguirel yesterday.

That is why I put random in quotes. It was to note its ironicalness. Yeahh, it's a 'real word,' look it up.
Shelob, maybe I did fall for a lupine trick to change a vote but last time I checked Ang voted for Thin.
Edit: Which was yesterday, and that is what I meant to say. Sorry, if it confused anyone.
Abercrombie voted for me on day one, because she was baffled by my vote for Ang.
I didn't care for her reasoning, and since I KNOW I'm an untalented, innocent, I suspect any of my detractors.

[Shelob]

So you are going from Yesterdays vote? just to be clear...

And you could fall for the lupine trick whether Ang was a wolf or no, he could still just be another innocent who fell for it too...in any case you voted in the most immediate-gut-reaction way possible...though admitedly after voting and retracting said vote for Ang.

[Garin]

see EDIT above

[Shelob]

Actually, I've decided that so long as I'm here (aka: speaking, and taking part in the discussions) you all can't help but spend the day focusing on me. Since it really is beneficial for everyone (except the wolves) for as many people as possible to be under pressure (and therefore likely to slip etc) I'm going to spend a fair chunk of time silent. I'll still check in once and a while to read what's going on, but I won't say anything unless it's really, really important. I'll come back with enough time before voting to discuss again, but otherwise I want you people to be free to discuss others without being distracted by me.

I understand if you decide you want me dead, and I understand if you vote for me. But I ask again that you at least consider other people, put them under pressure, consider who would have gained from Eomer's death. Whatever else you can do, do it.

With that: the rest is, for a while anyways, silence.

[Mithalwen]

Forgive me for another short post - I am clueless and sick and more confused all the time. However I fear that wolves may be laughing as righteously indignant innocents talk each other to the gallows.....

But who to vote for....... I may be able to get back online but Imay have to make a provisional vote soon

[Mithalwen]

Double post because crosspost with Fea..... I posted in lunchtime and I have posted as soon as my work finished a few minutes ago. I managed a sneaky glimpse or two between times. Remember the timezones.

I really don't know what to think ... and - well see the other thread

[Valier]

I thought I would post a quick post before school.

Originally Posted by Fea

We know each other fairly well in this village... take advantage of it

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I wish this was true..but I don't really know any of you,so I guess this puts me at a bit of a disadvantage for knowing what someone will do.

That whole last post by Shelob was weird so to speak. Why would you say that you understand why people would vote for you? you are pretty much shouting wolf to me by saying go ahead kill me now, then in the same sentence saying don't look at me,look at everyone else. Getting a little edgy?

Then you say your not going to post more, just stay quiet till the vote....I've seen that somewhere before........I think it was a wolf.

Well that's all I have time for now I will look at what has developed when I get home and vote before the deadline.

[Anguirel]

Originally Posted by Shelob

Here's another idea, let's play suspect versus accuser, you up for that Mr. Inquisitor?

Try me. Oh, you have!

Originally Posted by Shelob

Excellent, so now you can't say "but I'm talkative, ergo I'm no wolf". You yourself have said that you wouldn't mind drawing attention.

That's what I said, oh wondrous passing fair maiden.

Originally Posted by Shelob

That was quite the turnaround there, and all in one post. Somehow you've managed to accuse the only person to vote for you, and three who voted for a now known innocent at the begining of your spiel, and by the end have dropped two of those who voted for said innocent while adding me to your list.

My posting is not the result of painstaking thought. It is thought. If I did not turn around, I'd be awfully narrow-minded.

It's true that my unease about Garin was heavily loaded. It's also true I admitted it was from the outset.

And as for you, I had you pinned as a target to be spun at a rather earlier stage. After seeing your rather hysterical first post of the day. Not at all like this incisive little masterpiece. I'm much easier with give-and-take than weep-and-sigh.

As for effectively dropping off two Eonwe voters, that was the whole point of the analysis! To see who was the most worth watching out of that three. I thought Mith and Valesse more innocuous looking, and said so.

Originally Posted by Shelob

And yet [Fea] appears nowhere on your later lists, if she's "definitively" a wolf you'd think you'd pay more attention to her. Unless labeling people as wolves has descended to the level of a joke...in which case we may as well give up the hunt now and let the wolves take us all.

Our valiant Ranger/Doctor said "Laughter is the best medicine" before he died. Rest assured that Fea and I are taking nothing we say to each other seriously. That won't stop us denouncing on its basis, of course...

The great shame about Eomer's death was that we lost one of the village's most adept joke-takers. The wolf who murdered him must have been a real killjoy.

After that you sink so low as to insult my grammar. As I said regarding Kath, such points are cheap and futile.

Originally Posted by Shelob

So once again you've got someone you feel certain is a wolf...and yet later I'm only second on your list of suspicious persons. Tell me, if you're so sure I'm a wolf shouldn't I be first on your list of suspicious people? And wouldn't it make more sense to press other people (Garin for example, since he's now highest on your list, or Fea whom you also said is obviously) a wolf.

Of course I'm not certain you're a wolf. Who do you think I am? Some kind of...Seer?! But don't slip into defensiveness madam. Keep it cool. It suits you far better. As for pressing the others;

a. I am prodding Garin
b. Fea-Definitive-Wolf was a bleeding witticism...not the first time those things land me into the fray
c. You yourself are implicitly criticising me for trying Garin's defences left, right, and centre; here you order me to press the poor varlet. I like your new signature.

Originally Posted by Shelob

Finally, isn't it odd that the two people you've stated are obviously wolves are the two people we're clearly being made to focus on? It seems a little strange to me that you're either dumb enough to fall into that trap, or dumb enough to keep pressuring it, trying to make people believe it, as it were.

That gets at this squire's pride, demoiselle. Double bluffs exist...in fact single bluffs are rather passe at the moment. And there is no way that you can suggest Eomer's demise makes us clearly focus on Garin.

Originally Posted by Shelob

Now, now, not to accuse you friend Ang, not directly anyway...

Of course not.

Originally Posted by shiningly gorgeous Shelob

but there's enough there for me to feel fine voting for you....

But of course.

Originally Posted by Shelob

As for Garin, I'll note he fell for it.

But so, oh fairer than fair, did you. You ended up lashing 'gainst him anyway. I merely oiled a wheel or two.

Now, voting. I enjoyed Suspect vs Suspect, but neither of you have had much success in persuading me you're wolves yet, sadly.

++KATH

See my analysis on the Eonwe crowd for my reasons.