WWJ III - Nan Qualinmerë: Death Wish Valley

[Kath]

Anguirel I applaud your tenacity and your way with words. So let's have a look at the latter. I didn't bother doing this for you yesterday because you weren't around.

Day 1:
Mentions Lommy in his first post, though could be because she was the only one who had posted so far.
Realises Gil also died, negating his earlier mention of Lommy perhaps.
Votes Gandalf due to a random vote from the males, which makes sense if he knew his two fellow wolves were female.
Madness ensues, puts himself in cahoots with Fea and Eomer (now known innocents) and changes his vote to Lommy. BUT is the last person to vote for her, so his joining of the bandwagon could be to make himself appear innocent.
Claims he thinks Lommy is the Seer, but doesn’t retract his vote.

Day 2:
Agrees with Fea that Shelob must be guilty. Links Shelob with Lommy since both joined the Eomer bandwagon.
Provides a list of those he’d dream of if the Seer – all female but none the revealed wolves. Says he may join the Garin bandwagon.
Makes a point of saying he’s never been a wolf.
Suspects those who voted for Eonwe (Kath, Mith, Valesse). Still suspicious of Shelob. Ends mostly suspecting Garin, Shelob, Kath. (All innocents – two proven).
States he would bring attention to himself even if a werecreature.
Tried to pit Garin against Shelob, possibly to take scrutiny off himself.
Votes Kath.
Believes Shelob to be innocent.
Retracts vote, gives it to Roa, who has previously not been suspected.

Day 3:
Impressed with the wolves.
Guesses who tar may have dreamed of. Thinks she died dreaming of Garin. For some reason allies himself with me for a moment.
Mocks Garin.
Makes clear who is dead and who alive.
Berates me for picking up Garin’s mistake.
Votes Garin.
Sticks with Garin but says he suspects Wayne and Gandalf. Says if Garin is a wolf I’m free of suspicion – which is odd because I could still be a wolf joining the bandwagon, so unless he knows that I’m not . . .
Is against a double lynch but would be happy to lynch Gandalf.
Thinks Wayne is innocent.
Confused by Valesse.
Gives an account of previous roles. Jokingly tells Valesse she’s a wolf.

Day 4:
Nothing – but he did say that.

Day 5:
Apologises for silence. Assumes the Cursed is already dead.
Comes up with this exercise that will tell any remaining wolf how not to behave. Disregards Glirdan’s possible slip.
Tells me off for wondering if it were accidentally helping us.

Make of that what you will. I have noticed in reading through though some points about Valesse that I want to go back and look at. However, I have to go feed the tortoises now so I can't do that til later, though if anyone else wants to take that up then feel free!

[Anguirel]

Madam, that was a masterpiece. Of misinformation.

Originally Posted by Kath

Anguirel I applaud your tenacity and your way with words. So let's have a look at the latter. I didn't bother doing this for you yesterday because you weren't around.

When you're flattered you know it's going to bite.

Originally Posted by Kath

Day 1:
Mentions Lommy in his first post, though could be because she was the only one who had posted so far.
Realises Gil also died, negating his earlier mention of Lommy perhaps.
Votes Gandalf due to a random vote from the males, which makes sense if he knew his two fellow wolves were female.
Madness ensues, puts himself in cahoots with Fea and Eomer (now known innocents) and changes his vote to Lommy. BUT is the last person to vote for her, so his joining of the bandwagon could be to make himself appear innocent.
Claims he thinks Lommy is the Seer, but doesn’t retract his vote.

Your first point: it patently was. I didn't even accuse her, even indirectly, I merely addressed her. I see nothing suspicious in that, Milady Ohkrana...

I often prefer to vote for males, if voting randomly, when acting in a chivalric role. My ancestor Sir Anguirel the Fair did the same at Erbar Telemarth. Even I were a wolf, I would have voted for a male. I like to work in flourishes.

Madness ensues. Quite. You neglect to mention the fact that I caused a double-lynch which finished Thinlomien, but I know that doesn't cut any ice with you anyway. You accused me of having done that with a foul motive ages back.

More criminally, you neglect to mention that madness was still very much in currency when I said Thinlomien was the Seer. It was not a serious assertion. At the time I had announced Eomer and Fea were my fellow wolves. It was a joke. Jokes always end up killing me, perhaps because the Puritans are paid up members of the Wolves in Black guild.

Originally Posted by Kath

Day 2:
Agrees with Fea that Shelob must be guilty. Links Shelob with Lommy since both joined the Eomer bandwagon.
Provides a list of those he’d dream of if the Seer – all female but none the revealed wolves. Says he may join the Garin bandwagon.
Makes a point of saying he’s never been a wolf.
Suspects those who voted for Eonwe (Kath, Mith, Valesse). Still suspicious of Shelob. Ends mostly suspecting Garin, Shelob, Kath. (All innocents – two proven).
States he would bring attention to himself even if a werecreature.
Tried to pit Garin against Shelob, possibly to take scrutiny off himself.
Votes Kath.
Believes Shelob to be innocent.
Retracts vote, gives it to Roa, who has previously not been suspected.

My list of Seer dreams were jokes, jokes, more jokes! What those women have in common is that they're either known to be beautiful or I imagine them as beautiful. I'm sure you took this on board really and are annoyed I neglected to put you at the top of the list. (Yes, that was a joke too.) It was an "If I were the Seer I'd dream you every night..."-style chat-up line!

I did not say I'd never been a wolf at any point. That would be both irrelevant and false.

You suggest that voting for someone not yet suspected is wrong. What, should we gormlessly bandwagon every day then?

Originally Posted by Kath

Day 3:
Impressed with the wolves.
Guesses who tar may have dreamed of. Thinks she died dreaming of Garin. For some reason allies himself with me for a moment.
Mocks Garin.
Makes clear who is dead and who alive.
Berates me for picking up Garin’s mistake.
Votes Garin.
Sticks with Garin but says he suspects Wayne and Gandalf. Says if Garin is a wolf I’m free of suspicion – which is odd because I could still be a wolf joining the bandwagon, so unless he knows that I’m not . . .
Is against a double lynch but would be happy to lynch Gandalf.
Thinks Wayne is innocent.
Confused by Valesse.
Gives an account of previous roles. Jokingly tells Valesse she’s a wolf.

Weren't you impressed with the wolves too? Though you said it yourself that shouldn't?

You make me sound as though I've entered some kind of Melkorian pact signed in blood with you. I merely laid off accusing you for a day or so.

I agree that the comment about Garin's guilt determining your innocence was inane.

You've got a joke at last. Good.

Originally Posted by Kath

Day 4:
Nothing – but he did say that.

Day 5:
Apologises for silence. Assumes the Cursed is already dead.
Comes up with this exercise that will tell any remaining wolf how not to behave. Disregards Glirdan’s possible slip.
Tells me off for wondering if it were accidentally helping us.

Make of that what you will. I have noticed in reading through though some points about Valesse that I want to go back and look at. However, I have to go feed the tortoises now so I can't do that til later, though if anyone else wants to take that up then feel free!

I did not assume that the Cursed Villager was already dead. I said there was a 60% chance he was. Which is mathematically exactly true. I thought you were pretty good at counting, Lady Kath?

I just think that if Glirdan made such a big error (and it really seems unlikely-I'm sure Glirdan can confirm he meant "it"), we can either ignore it and play a game untainted by exterior influences, or we can risk messing things up totally be voting on a spurious basis, that will either give an unfair advantage to one team or make those who employ it look like utter...tortoises.

I also disagree with your buttonholing of my idea, as it takes into account past events and influences-like the known were-wolves-which the living wolf cannot react to based on what she (oops, I've made a crucial mistake-or have I?) reads.

Yes, the she thing was a joke too.

Remember our Ranger, villagers. Laughter is the best medicine. Don't lynch it on a knee-jerk reaction.

[Anguirel]

I have yet another piece of evidence that just because Glirdan describes the wolf as a he does not mean it is a male.

"Save yourselves!" Wayne cried and just then, Valier bit his head off with his powerful jaws.

Valier is, naturally, female. Allow me to pass some pinches of salt around.

But this isn't the first time Kath has used an entirely flimsy excuse for a deduction or attack. The innocent Eonwe suffered a Kathattack for his spelling, Garin for, if I remember rightly, his grammar. Finally Kath tried to clear, ahem, all females on the basis of a narration, which in any case do not contain clues, and which are, as seen above, pretty unreliable in exact matters of players' anatomical differences. A pattern is building. A pattern it's very hard to ignore. Though I've yet to adhere to my own plan, (and I will, fear not) I feel the time has come to cast my vote; of course I retain the right to retract it if it seems the best decision. This time, though, I believe I might be consistent.

++KATH

[Kath]

Ok Anguirel, have your fun. I won't go down the path of Shelob and Garin. Suffice it to say that I'm innocent.

Mith, I hope you'll return and change your vote, and that the rest of you don't get swayed by this silver-tongued beast.

[Mithalwen]

whether I change my vote.... well all I can say is I will once again reread in the light of everything new..... however sice the wolves...wolf has the habit of murdering the people who seem innocent to me.. I don't make much headway.

However ...I have thought Ang innocent for a long time ..but it is foolish to assume anything..... I have a relative amount of leisure now so I will review everything. But for now .... the vote stands.

Kath you are clever and persuasive but my instinct keeps telling me you aren't ringing true. I will let my intellect take it's turn.