Public Research: Race - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Valesse · 01-31-2006, 09:06 AM

Oh I hate that.

Only about a quarter of me could really truely claim (with some feeble authority) that its Caucasian. The rest of my ancestors were apparently wary of anything vaguely mountainous.

I agree that if we had the time to be more 'politcally correct' a longer list of ethnicities and races would be nice, but in all honesty that would be list could be longer than I am tall, and if I do say so... I'm quite tall.

JennyHallu · 01-31-2006, 09:15 AM

I think you could safely separate "White" into Hindu, Arabic/Persian, and European. Even more interesting would be to separate European into Norse, Slavic, and umm...everybody else, since there are definite physical and cultural differences there, but I'm not sure what you would call everybody else, and I know some Americans who would have a hard time picking. If they haven't already...think Tiger Woods.

Roa_Aoife · 01-31-2006, 10:01 AM

You could conceivably add Germanic and Celtic to the European list, Jenny.

Not mention Mediteranean.

JennyHallu · 01-31-2006, 10:09 AM

Mediterranean would work for the geographic definition of Caucasian. (Look up Caucasia) I can see Germanic, but I'm not entirely sure if Celtic is racially separate. Really, it's a Germanic sub-class. For that matter, so are Norse and Slavic...hmm....must think more. Maybe add Celtic but not Germanic. Or call it Germanic-Other or something.

Us poor Americans...I think I've got myself under three different European categories now...

Rune Son of Bjarne · 01-31-2006, 10:11 AM

Do you want both Norse and Germanic? As I see it most Norse People are Germanic, with exeptions like the Saami (you know them from Lapland)

JennyHallu · 01-31-2006, 10:16 AM

I'm not sure. Celtics are also technically Germanic. I have never heard of the Saami.

NEW CATEGORY!

*facedesk*

Lost cause! Let's lobby to end hyphenated humanity!!

Farael · 01-31-2006, 10:38 AM

Although it's early, I find the poll results quite surprising so far. I guess our Filipino bunch have not had time to post yet (or have decided not to) but while I expected somewhat of a higher number of white/caucassian readers, I did not expect it to be THAT predominant.

I Guess it might have to do with Tolkien's writing style and the cultures it's associated with (after all, Lord Of The Rings, Hobbit and The Sil.. are fairly western-style books, and white peoples are predominant in western countries) But specially after the movies, I'd expected to be a bit more evenly distributed.

And then, it has not been 24 hours since the poll opened.

HerenIstarion · 01-31-2006, 11:29 AM

Pull up your horses!

The thread is not supposed to discuss whether classification is precisely correct or not - at the very least, I can no longer do anything to change it (even if I wished to, and I do not) - once the poll is posted, nobody (but administrator, but that's obvious) could alter it - see spelling error in one of my first polls, standing to my shame for two years and more. At the most, there is not a single, commonly agreed upon classification at all. I lean on sources (U.S. Census) generally accepted as fit for public surveys of the kind.

As in 'religion' poll Christian option was given more diversification because of assumed majority of Christian readers, so here I've came to opposite conclusion -- the very obvious majority of 'white' (Caucasian, whatever term you'd like to employ) readers made me make only one entry for them. So, no new categories will be added to current poll, neither alteration is to come about. Probably, if need be, I may open up special poll to study diversification inside the 'Caucasian' group, but here the purpose is to compare the group with the 'rest of the world'.

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There is not enough genetic difference to determine any actual race. If there were, we would divide homo sapiens sapiens into sub species, like homo sapiens caucasia, etc. All humans are in fact 99.9995% exactly alike. It's that 0.0005% that determines any unique physical characteristics.

Yes, and yes, and another yes. But 'unique physical characteristics' is what rouses general interest, all in all. If the difference was expressed in form and colour of the liver, or in something equally invisible on the surface and there were no outwardly expressed deviations, nobody would think twice about the issue but genetic engineers. Do not look at the poll as a 'scientific' enterprise - it's more sociology than anthropology, and sociology is not what I'd call 'exact science'

Conclusion - the thread is not about what you 'want', it's about what I asks, and asks nicely, and even begs, if you please

Aiwendil · 01-31-2006, 11:30 AM

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Celtics are also technically Germanic.

Really? I was always rather under the impression that the Celts are not Germanic. They certainly were not part of the Germanic language family.

Lhunardawen · 02-01-2006, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Farael

Although it's early, I find the poll results quite surprising so far. I guess our Filipino bunch have not had time to post yet (or have decided not to) but while I expected somewhat of a higher number of white/caucassian readers, I did not expect it to be THAT predominant.

There you go, Farael.

Not vote? Why on earth would we do that? After everything HerenIstarion went through to put these polls up...

EDIT: Speaking of which, thank you so much HI for that option. I feel loved...

View Poll Results: What Race do you belong to? (Pick one or many as is applicable)
American Indian or Alaska Native	3	5.56%
Asian (Chinese)	0	0%
Asian (Filipino)	2	3.70%
Asian (Japanese)	0	0%
Asian (Korean)	0	0%
Asian (Other)	2	3.70%
Black/African American	0	0%
Hispanic	0	0%
Other Pacific Islander/Australian Native	0	0%
White	52	96.30%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 54. You may not vote on this poll

01-31-2006, 09:06 AM	#1
Valesse Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: \|Away Posts: 614	Oh I hate that. Only about a quarter of me could really truely claim (with some feeble authority) that its Caucasian. The rest of my ancestors were apparently wary of anything vaguely mountainous. I agree that if we had the time to be more 'politcally correct' a longer list of ethnicities and races would be nice, but in all honesty that would be list could be longer than I am tall, and if I do say so... I'm quite tall. __________________ "Loo, what sholde a man in thyse dayes now wryte, 'egges' or 'eyren'?" - Caxton, Eneydos

01-31-2006, 10:01 AM	#3
Roa_Aoife Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Someday, I'll rule all of it. Posts: 1,696	You could conceivably add Germanic and Celtic to the European list, Jenny. Not mention Mediteranean. __________________ We can't all be Roas* when it comes to analysing...* -Lommy I didn't say you're evil, Roa, I said you're exasperating. -Nerwen

01-31-2006, 10:38 AM	#7
Farael Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: In hospitals, call rooms and (rarely) my apartment. Posts: 1,538	Although it's early, I find the poll results quite surprising so far. I guess our Filipino bunch have not had time to post yet (or have decided not to) but while I expected somewhat of a higher number of white/caucassian readers, I did not expect it to be THAT predominant. I Guess it might have to do with Tolkien's writing style and the cultures it's associated with (after all, Lord Of The Rings, Hobbit and The Sil.. are fairly western-style books, and white peoples are predominant in western countries) But specially after the movies, I'd expected to be a bit more evenly distributed. And then, it has not been 24 hours since the poll opened. __________________ I prepared Explosive Runes this morning.

01-31-2006, 09:15 AM	#2
JennyHallu The Pearl, The Lily Maid Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In my luxury Barrow, snuggled up in a pile of satin pillows, eating fresh fruit. Posts: 1,628	I think you could safely separate "White" into Hindu, Arabic/Persian, and European. Even more interesting would be to separate European into Norse, Slavic, and umm...everybody else, since there are definite physical and cultural differences there, but I'm not sure what you would call everybody else, and I know some Americans who would have a hard time picking. If they haven't already...think Tiger Woods.

01-31-2006, 10:09 AM	#4
JennyHallu The Pearl, The Lily Maid Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In my luxury Barrow, snuggled up in a pile of satin pillows, eating fresh fruit. Posts: 1,628	Mediterranean would work for the geographic definition of Caucasian. (Look up Caucasia) I can see Germanic, but I'm not entirely sure if Celtic is racially separate. Really, it's a Germanic sub-class. For that matter, so are Norse and Slavic...hmm....must think more. Maybe add Celtic but not Germanic. Or call it Germanic-Other or something. Us poor Americans...I think I've got myself under three different European categories now...

01-31-2006, 10:16 AM	#6
JennyHallu The Pearl, The Lily Maid Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In my luxury Barrow, snuggled up in a pile of satin pillows, eating fresh fruit. Posts: 1,628	I'm not sure. Celtics are also technically Germanic. I have never heard of the Saami. NEW CATEGORY! facedesk Lost cause! Let's lobby to end hyphenated humanity!!