Tol-in-Gaurhoth XVII: The Saga Continues to Continue quite Continuously

[malkatoj]

Okay, I see my vote for Wayne has made me look suspicious. Why? On the first day, is it not best to lynch an unknown? Wayne always is an unknown, very difficult to read, and usually gets lynched eventually. Killing him early prevents us from getting distracted and killing him later on, when we have more evidence.

Cailin:

Something about Garin is making me nervous anyway – he seems uncharacteristically quiet and eager to hide behind theories proposed by others.

Though I agree here, I'm also inclined to think, like Wayne and Gil, it's just Garin being Garin--in the last game (the last one I played) he acted in this manner as well.

I think the people who voted for Abercrombie should be payed close attention to. That's SpM, TGWBS, Spawn, Aiwendil, and Kath. I'm most suspicious of the last three, since their votes (a) are easy, since there's already suspicion there, and (b) set Crombie's death in stone.

Since I doubt all three of those people are wolves, I'd like to point out Shelob's vote (if it hasn't been done already, I've looked over everything but might have missed it). Since she's the only one who voted Garin, it's not getting a lot of attention--we tend to pay more attention to the bandwagons, and I've no doubt she knows this. Her vote is pretty safe in that, as I said above, Garin is pretty much an unknown, and there was no chance of his being killed so it went under everyone's radar. I'm not completely convinced that she's a wolf, but it seems very possible (and, considering past games and the fact that she's alive, likely).

Since I've no idea whether I'll be on again today (silly school), I'll cast my vote now. If I do get a chance, I'll come back and look over everything, throw in whatever insight I have at the time, and probably apologize for voting earlier than necessary. Though it's unlikely.

++Aiwendil

[The Saucepan Man]

Well, unless it is a very sophisticated double bluff, we can perhaps cross malkatoj off our suspect lists. Why would a Wolf vote for the very person she killed last night?

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Originally Posted by malkatoj

++Aiwendil

Talk about a throwaway vote...

Seriously, that's interesting. I believe this is the first time someone believes that a dead proven innocent is a wolf.

[the guy who be short]

I only have five minutes once again. I see my list was a little pointless as SpM already listed them.

Aiwendil's death - no clue. I'll analyse it when I have time later (should be about 3 hours).

Abercrombie's death - I have thoughts, but they'll have to wait as I'm pressed for time. They mirror SpM's, mostly, but with less emphasis on my guilt.

A suggestion: Each potentially guilty person should have four villagers look into them and offer analyses.

[malkatoj]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Morning-coffee=BAD.

Anyway, I have no idea what just went on in my head and wow I feel like an idiot. Sorry for being an idiot, everyone, I got very confused.

Morning-coffee=bad.

++KATH

is what I meant to do.


(eep, sorry!)

[The Saucepan Man]

Malkatoj, did you really vote for Aiwendil without realising that he was already dead, or did you type his name mistakenly, meaning to vote for someone else? It's an important distinction.

Boy, it's quiet here today.

Hello?

Anyone else out there?

I hate to be the one doing the most of the talking. It will probably be the death of me ...

EDIT: Also, I am unsure on the legality of voting for someone who is already dead and then subsequently voting for someone else (living). Given the non-retractability rule, is it allowed? Just want to be clear whether malkatoj's (second) vote will count.

[Cailín]

Wow. Malkatoj's vote is very interesting. Either she is definitely innocent or this is about the boldest move I ever saw a wolf make.

It's indeed quiet and I'm waiting for more people to speak up... Thanks for the overview, Spawn, even though I'm not too happy about your conclusions.

I hate to be the one doing the most of the talking. It will probably be the death of me ...

I second this.

Anyway - I had hoped to hear something more from TGWBS... and Shelob... in the terms of constructive theories. Also, Mormegil has been rather silent so far, though that might be timezone related. I wish I could say more, but I could only list bad feelings right now, and they are not too helpful.

--

To answer to your further accusations, Spawn, I defended Malkatoj only because she seemed in a similar position and Mormegil mentioned us both. The rest can all be described to plain insecurity and just general not-knowing. I have not yet reached any solid conclusions and therefore still regard everyone as suspicious, even though I may wish them innocent.

--

I agree with you concerning Shelob. It seems in itself suspicious that she wasn't killed last Night. However, I share her concern about Garin. And thus I keep walking in circles. Which is as much annoying me as it is you.

[Valier]

I thought I would post quickly then look through all the posts again then vote(*RL* School) Well the most suspisious thing to me right now is Garin's attitude
In all other games he is very vocal and accusing. He is always in the top three posters. This game though he is providing little and keeping his mouth shut ...does this seem weird to anyone else?

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

... here are some thoughts of Shelob and Cailín. My suspicion was initially based on a gut feeling, but let's see if I found something reasonable to say, too.


Cailín

On Day 1, Cailín made many posts, but few of them contained anything constructive to say. She said that we should listen to Sauce, but the next thing she said was that she found him suspicious. She mentioned Shelob to be suspicious, too, but didn't go further on that subject.
She listed all the villagers and in a joking manner analyzed them. She thought that morm looked guilty because of his vote for Valier, but said that Valier might be a wolf. Hmm, I doubt a wolf would make a three-way tie if his comrade was involved. She also defended malkatoj, but why did she do that when she coudn't know if malkatoj is innocent or not unless Cailín is a wolf and wants to buy the trust of an innocent?

Later Cailín showed mild uneasiness towards Shelob again, but right after it, she disregarded her own suspicions. She also defended Kath while expressing a little suspicion of her. Is this a classic example of obligatory suspicion towards a fellow wolf?

On a lighter note, "My tail was just accidentally split in half." ~Cailín.

We have a confession, folks, she has a tail.


Shelob

Shelob preferred random accusations to evidence, but since Sauce wanted reasoned posts, she decided to sit back and stay out of the conversation. Also, her vote for Garin seemed at least to me like a safe choice.

"It won't help today at all, but it beats a bandwagon or a tie." ~Shelob about her vote.

Besides, both options are generally considered as suspicious, right...?

Shelob also defended Kath and Glirdan.


If Shelob is a wolf, it would seem that Valier is innocent because of Day 1's voting

Also, both Shelob and Cailín seemed to know very well why Aiwendil was killed. I admit that most of us could have reached a same kind of a conclusion, but think about it, what would be more juicier a situation than openly tell all your fellow villagers what was the motive for last night's kill. Besides, a sound deduction could make them appear trustworthy, and by defending Formendacil, Wayne and Valier they could have tried to lead us astray (just like Shelob said the motive could have been), because at first it would be silly to think that the wolves didn't try to blame anyone after a kill but actually defend.

I guess that out of all the villagers, I'm the most suspicious of Cailín, Shelob and Kath now, and they seem to form a clear trio, but I don't think that all of them are wolves. Why, it may very well be that none of them is. However, I think that I'm going to vote one of them toDay if nothing surprising happens before it.