Tol-in-Gaurhoth XVII: The Saga Continues to Continue quite Continuously - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Meneltarmacil · 02-07-2006, 04:03 PM

It was not long after the villagers had woken up that they noticed it.

A large pile of coconuts had appeared in the center of town overnight. Perplexed as to how it got there, the villagers discussed this recent phenomenon.

“Notice the interesting pyramidal shape of it?” Gil-Galad offered.

“It came from beyond the grave!” Kath exclaimed.

“”Don’t be silly, the Flying Spaghetti Monster clearly dropped it there,” Márcolië Lamen countered.

“The whales told me it was a gift from them,” said Naria.

Garin’s pigs, however, had already dug through the coconuts to find the body of poor Valier, who had giggled her last and had died standing on her head as the Wolves had tossed coconuts at her. All speculations stopped, as this was clearly the work of Wolves. Another innocent was dead.

Formendacil wrote all this down as usual, while malkatoj started searching the body for money.

Living:
mormegil- Elven smith
Garin- Truffle hunter with a half a dozen pigs and no social manners
Nilpaurion Felagund- Escaped thrall from Tol-in-Gaurhoth
dancing spawn of ungoliant- Florist
The Saucepan Man- Earnest and learned young man of the law
malkatoj- Retired Miracle Man (who is not really a man)
Gil-Galad- Shape-Analyst
Glirdan- Crazy guy down the street
Márcolië Lamen- Second official 8th day adventist Pastafarian
Formendacil- Village historian
Cailín- Deluded girl who believes she is a mermaid
Kath- Local investigator into the paranormal
the guy who be short- Mermaid-catcher and fisherman
WaynetheGoblin- Town geek, wimp, and nerd
Naria- Crazy old lady that thinks the marine life talks to her

Dead:
Meneltarmacil (Moderator): Speared by wolves on Night 1
AbercrombieOfRohan (Ordinary Villager): Treed and crushed by villagers on Day 1
Aiwendil (Ordinary Villager): Crushed by a tree chopped down by the werewolves onto his house on Night 2
Shelob (Ordinary Villager): Hung by villagers on Day 2
Valier (Ordinary Villager): Coconutted by wolves on Night 3

Wolves: 3
Villagers: 12

It is now Day 3. Villagers may post. Wolves, please cease PMing. Hunter and Ranger may PM each other now.

the guy who be short · 02-07-2006, 04:09 PM

Vote for / Vote by / Votes after (inclusive)
1. Malkatoj - Nilp (Malkatoj - 1)
2. Kath - malkatoj (Malkatoj - 1; Kath - 1)
3. Garin - Valier (Malkatoj - 1; Kath - 1; Garin - 1)
4. Cailin - mormegil (Malkatoj - 1; Kath - 1; Garin - 1; Cailin - 1)
5. Shelob - SpM (Malkatoj - 1; Kath - 1; Garin - 1; Cailin - 1; Shelob - 1)
6. Naria - TGWBS (Malkatoj - 1; Kath - 1; Garin - 1; Cailin - 1; Shelob - 1; Naria - 1)
7. Shelob - spawn (Malkatoj - 1; Kath - 1; Garin - 1; Cailin - 1; Shelob - 2; Naria - 1)
8. SpM - Formen (Malkatoj - 1; Kath - 1; Garin - 1; Cailin - 1; Shelob - 2; Naria - 1; SpM - 1)
9. Garin - Cailin (Malkatoj - 1; Kath - 1; Garin - 2; Cailin - 1; Shelob - 2; Naria - 1; SpM - 1)
10. Valier - Kath (Malkatoj - 1; Kath - 1; Garin - 2; Cailin - 1; Shelob - 2; Naria - 1; SpM - 1; Valier - 1)
11. Cailin - Shelob (Malkatoj - 1; Kath - 1; Garin - 2; Cailin - 2; Shelob - 2; Naria - 1; SpM - 1; Valier - 1)
12. Shelob - Garin (Malkatoj - 1; Kath - 1; Garin - 2; Cailin - 2; Shelob - 3; Naria - 1; SpM - 1; Valier - 1)

Did not vote Gil Galad, Glirdan, Marcolie Lamen, wayne, Naria

Analyses later. First, a few points.

Firstly, I would like to point out the huge number of non-voters. I, for one, would be more than pleased to kill them off if they don't start talking. As I said yesterday, we threaten to turn this into a battle of the loud and overlook those who are silent.

Secondly, I await a reply from mormegil re:Cailin.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TGWBS

I'm curious what you inferred from Cailin's points, when she said they spoke in my innocence.

Okay, two points then.

Coming soon, my thoughts on the lynching of Shelob and the death of Valier, as soon as I can organise some.

Formendacil · 02-07-2006, 04:18 PM

Okay, first of all, I'd like to commend, thank, and generally praise the Werewolves for not killing me.

Secondly, I'd like to insult them for killing an innocent Valier. I'd also like to insult the village for killing an innocent Shelob and Abercrombie.

Thirdly, I'd like to direct today's attention, discussion, and lynching towards a candidate who is a Werewolf.

Thank you, and good day.

I shall be back in about 21 hours.

Glirdan · 02-07-2006, 04:29 PM

Well, this is an unexpected turn of events. Definetly wasn't looked for. But it was probably the best choice for the Wolves.

*I must answer a few questions that will be definetly asked. I did not vote yesterday due to time zone difficulties. I did not have computer access all night (as will probably happen again for the next few days) and I have school which takes six hours out of my time. So, I'm sorry for my abscence and non vote.*

Now, I must adress a certain little thing that intrigued me when I went through the posts. I notice how SpM was after me a lot yesterday and knew perfectly well that I might not return in order to defend myself. What the strange thing is that he suddenly drops off that attack later on. I find this quite strange. Not to mention, if I'm correct, he was the first to voice suspicion for Shelob. He is really making me suspicious and uneasy.

I will have to go back thoroughly over everything that has been said. I will (try!!) and come back later with my conclusions.

*If I'm not back on again, it's because I got kicked off.*

the guy who be short · 02-07-2006, 04:33 PM

Right off the bat, I'll attack Naria and Glirdan for their no votes on Day 1. I haven't let that go yet. I did also suspect Shelob for the same reasons, and she turned out to be innocent, but I can't get over it.

I'll also defend Nilp - he's Nilp, after all, it's tradition - and malkatoj because of the misvote - I don't see a wolf doing that. There are others I had faith in before, but I will need to reconsider in light of voting patterns.

I think I will mention Kath. After Day 1, I believed in her innocence due to her voting for Abercrombie last. Yesterday, she was the only one to vote for Valier. Unless she's being incredibly bold, I don't think she's a wolf. Why kill somebody you voted for in the Day?

Interestingly, spawn, SpM, Kath and Garin have all voted for innocents twice. I'm not sure how telling this is, as I'm inclined to suspect none of the above, really. Perhaps I shall have to look into all of them individually. I went through Valier's posts, and she doesn't really mention anybody but Garin. As Cailin says, this makes him look bad, but it could easily be a bluff, or double bluff.

And now, I make a fool of myself, spending so much time dissecting the words of the loud and glancing not at the silent. I am confident that a wolf, perhaps two, abides amongst those who are silent or quiet: Gil-Galad, Marcolie, Glirdan, Form, Wayne and Naria. Form's behaviour is suspect, Glirdan's day one vote is incriminating, as is Naria's, and simple silence from wayne and quietness from Marcolie put me off. Unless something startling emerges, I will look into these six today. I definitely want them to start talking more.

the guy who be short · 02-07-2006, 04:40 PM

For clarification, "no votes" above refers to votes that would and did not affect the outcome, not lack of votes.

I am pleased to see Glirdan, at least, return. I'd also like him to reply to my accusation about his Day 1 vote for SpM - a complete waste.

That said, Glirdan and Cailin, you have both raised interesting points about SpM. Twice in a row, he has cast the first vote for an innocent. Perhaps he is simply cursed with too much authority - people follow him too much, and the votes he casts influence others too much, incriminating him. I recall that his Abercrombie vote was particularly late.

Glirdan · 02-07-2006, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Glirdan's day one vote is incriminating

I shall adress this matter rigfht now. As I said (if you go back and look at the post), I said my vote for SpM was so that I would not be bandwaggoning and so that I would not have to create a double lynch. I was suspicious of Valier, but I did not want to be the cause of two (now proven) innocents dying. I also voiced my suspicion of Saucy (which has not aabbated) the whole long of that day. Now, if I were a Wolf, why on earth would I suspect Valier all the Day, and then go after her at Night knowing full well that the entire village knew that I had suspected her?

the guy who be short · 02-07-2006, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glirdan

I said my vote for SpM was so that I would not be bandwaggoning and so that I would not have to create a double lynch.

At the time of your vote, you would not cause a tie - Abercrombie had 5 votes, and Valier and Wayne three each. That argument holds no water.

Quote:

I was suspicious of Valier, but I did not want to be the cause of two (now proven) innocents dying.

It seems that you're saying you already knew Valier and Abercrombie were innocent. While I appreciate that's probably not what you mean, I advise you to guard you words more carefully.

Quote:

I suspect[ed] Valier all the Day

What gets me is you suspect Valier - but don't vote for her when there's a chance to get her.

Quote:

Now, if I were a Wolf, why on earth would I suspect Valier all the Day, and then go after her at Night knowing full well that the entire village knew that I had suspected her?

And you have just called attention to the fact...

Glirdan · 02-07-2006, 04:59 PM

Quote:

At the time of your vote, you would not cause a tie - Abercrombie had 5 votes, and Valier and Wayne three each. That argument holds no water.

Yes, I'm now aware of that. I meant that for earlier. Bascially, my vote was to not bandwagon and because I still found that there was something not sitting right with me for Saucy.

Quote:

What gets me is you suspect Valier - but don't vote for her when there's a chance to get her.

I miscounted the votes when I voted. So, I was thinking, at the time, that if I voted for Valier, there would be a possible double lynch and I did not want to be the cause of that.

Quote:

And you have just called attention to the fact...

Yes, I am quite aware of that. Purposely done as well. In my defence, if I were a Wolf, I would not be as stupid to attack someone whom I suspected. That would leave to many clues pointing towards me.

WaynetheGoblin · 02-07-2006, 05:15 PM

Sorry for not posting for a long time but im starting of with my vote.
++WAYNETHEGOBLIN

Garin · 02-07-2006, 05:43 PM

I'm not going to waste the whole day defending myself to Cailin, who seems to have a awful mean streak that seems quite predatory, if you catch my meaning. Even if Valier did trust, her which isn't obvious it doesn't mean that a wolf-lin wouldn't take her out. I voted for Shelob to save my life, it would've been a double lynch. If that doesn't seem reasonable, I don't know what else to say. I'm not the suicidal one in this group.
I think the non-voters should be put under suspicion because voting records are one of the most telling and permanent things we have with which to root out the wolves.
Edit: I was called away from my desk so I cross-posted with quite a few people, including that odd vote.

Cailín · 02-07-2006, 04:16 PM

Wow, Valier died. That is certainly… unexpected. She was not without suspicion and did not seem as much as a threat as some. I shall miss the silly (coco)nut, though.

Shall I point out something funny? Cailín voted exactly the same as Valier did for two days in a row. Valier more or less trusted her and she seemed to trust Valier. Could this kill possibly have been made to make her look good? Wait – is this a case against myself?

Or – was perhaps Valier targetted as the Seer? I can see no other clear reason: surely by the third Night, the wolves usually go looking for the Seer. That would put Garin in a rather negative light. Actually, he would stay in a rather negative light.

As of yet, I do not know. Five people failed to show up for voting yesterDay. It was a close call between me, Shelob and Garin. Two of these are definitely innocent. Both Mormegil and Saucepan Man are still alive. So is Spawn. This is both good as well as highly disturbing. Either they are wolves or they are completely in the wrong. Both is pretty bad. On first sight, we seem to be no closer to finding a wolf. Or at least, I am not.

Then I have some sad, real life news. Within half an hour, I’m going to bed. I will have to get up very early and spend the entire day fighting big guys with wooden swords. Yes, this is indeed true. I will not be able to return till about two hours before the deadline. I’m dreadfully sorry, but these things are practically obligatory and also quite a fun way to get extra credits. I hope you’ll manage without me. I’m sure you will.

Cailín · 02-07-2006, 04:30 PM

By the way, I would like to get an explanation from Garin for his last moment decision. As I said after analysing Shelob myself, I could not really build a case against her. The case against me was somewhat stronger. I'll be honest and tell you I was hoping someone (Marcolie) was going to show up and vote for you still.

Dancing Spawn and Saucepan Man... twice you now voted for the innocent who was lynched at the end of the Day. This is no accusation - more people have voted for two innocents and indeed it is more subtle to not be on the 'winning' bandwagon. However, like me probably, you have a tendency to be in full control of the game. These outcomes show that. I hope you are aware that, if things go the wrong way, people will start blaming you. And I hope these people are aware that they will. This is really just a plea for people to make up their own minds.

Also - I very much wish to know why so many people failed to vote. I've never seen anything like it. Is there a policy - like in WWXII - that you are automatically lynched if you have failed to show up for voting a few times? Because TGWBS is right - all these non-participants are only in the way right now.

I'm still in favour of lynching Garin right now. I am not sure whether I appreciated his 'better you than me'. I'm not ready to let my suspicions go.

Edit: crossposted with Glirdy.

02-07-2006, 04:03 PM	#1
Meneltarmacil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The bottom of the ocean, discussing philosophy with a giant squid Posts: 2,254	It was not long after the villagers had woken up that they noticed it. A large pile of coconuts had appeared in the center of town overnight. Perplexed as to how it got there, the villagers discussed this recent phenomenon. “Notice the interesting pyramidal shape of it?” Gil-Galad offered. “It came from beyond the grave!” Kath exclaimed. “”Don’t be silly, the Flying Spaghetti Monster clearly dropped it there,” Márcolië Lamen countered. “The whales told me it was a gift from them,” said Naria. Garin’s pigs, however, had already dug through the coconuts to find the body of poor Valier, who had giggled her last and had died standing on her head as the Wolves had tossed coconuts at her. All speculations stopped, as this was clearly the work of Wolves. Another innocent was dead. Formendacil wrote all this down as usual, while malkatoj started searching the body for money. Living: mormegil- Elven smith Garin- Truffle hunter with a half a dozen pigs and no social manners Nilpaurion Felagund- Escaped thrall from Tol-in-Gaurhoth dancing spawn of ungoliant- Florist The Saucepan Man- Earnest and learned young man of the law malkatoj- Retired Miracle Man (who is not really a man) Gil-Galad- Shape-Analyst Glirdan- Crazy guy down the street Márcolië Lamen- Second official 8th day adventist Pastafarian Formendacil- Village historian Cailín- Deluded girl who believes she is a mermaid Kath- Local investigator into the paranormal the guy who be short- Mermaid-catcher and fisherman WaynetheGoblin- Town geek, wimp, and nerd Naria- Crazy old lady that thinks the marine life talks to her Dead: Meneltarmacil (Moderator): Speared by wolves on Night 1 AbercrombieOfRohan (Ordinary Villager): Treed and crushed by villagers on Day 1 Aiwendil (Ordinary Villager): Crushed by a tree chopped down by the werewolves onto his house on Night 2 Shelob (Ordinary Villager): Hung by villagers on Day 2 Valier (Ordinary Villager): Coconutted by wolves on Night 3 Wolves: 3 Villagers: 12 It is now Day 3. Villagers may post. Wolves, please cease PMing. Hunter and Ranger may PM each other now. __________________ I ♣ baby seals. Last edited by Meneltarmacil; 02-07-2006 at 05:08 PM. Reason: grammar

02-07-2006, 04:18 PM	#3
Formendacil Dead Serious Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Perched on Thangorodrim's towers. Posts: 3,328	Okay, first of all, I'd like to commend, thank, and generally praise the Werewolves for not killing me. Secondly, I'd like to insult them for killing an innocent Valier. I'd also like to insult the village for killing an innocent Shelob and Abercrombie. Thirdly, I'd like to direct today's attention, discussion, and lynching towards a candidate who is a Werewolf. Thank you, and good day. I shall be back in about 21 hours. __________________ I prefer history, true or feigned.

02-07-2006, 04:29 PM	#4
Glirdan Energetic Essence Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Where Lark Nor Eagle Ever Flew Posts: 3,285	Well, this is an unexpected turn of events. Definetly wasn't looked for. But it was probably the best choice for the Wolves. I must answer a few questions that will be definetly asked. I did not vote yesterday due to time zone difficulties. I did not have computer access all night (as will probably happen again for the next few days) and I have school which takes six hours out of my time. So, I'm sorry for my abscence and non vote. Now, I must adress a certain little thing that intrigued me when I went through the posts. I notice how SpM was after me a lot yesterday and knew perfectly well that I might not return in order to defend myself. What the strange thing is that he suddenly drops off that attack later on. I find this quite strange. Not to mention, if I'm correct, he was the first to voice suspicion for Shelob. He is really making me suspicious and uneasy. I will have to go back thoroughly over everything that has been said. I will (try!!) and come back later with my conclusions. If I'm not back on again, it's because I got kicked off. __________________ *I'm going to buy you a kitty, I'm going to let you fall in love with the kitty, and one cold, winter night, I'm going to steal into your house and punch you in the face!* Fenris Wolf

02-07-2006, 04:33 PM	#5
the guy who be short Shadowed Prince Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Thulcandra Posts: 2,343	Attacks Right off the bat, I'll attack Naria and Glirdan for their no votes on Day 1. I haven't let that go yet. I did also suspect Shelob for the same reasons, and she turned out to be innocent, but I can't get over it. I'll also defend Nilp - he's Nilp, after all, it's tradition - and malkatoj because of the misvote - I don't see a wolf doing that. There are others I had faith in before, but I will need to reconsider in light of voting patterns. I think I will mention Kath. After Day 1, I believed in her innocence due to her voting for Abercrombie last. Yesterday, she was the only one to vote for Valier. Unless she's being incredibly bold, I don't think she's a wolf. Why kill somebody you voted for in the Day? Interestingly, spawn, SpM, Kath and Garin have all voted for innocents twice. I'm not sure how telling this is, as I'm inclined to suspect none of the above, really. Perhaps I shall have to look into all of them individually. I went through Valier's posts, and she doesn't really mention anybody but Garin. As Cailin says, this makes him look bad, but it could easily be a bluff, or double bluff. And now, I make a fool of myself, spending so much time dissecting the words of the loud and glancing not at the silent. I am confident that a wolf, perhaps two, abides amongst those who are silent or quiet: Gil-Galad, Marcolie, Glirdan, Form, Wayne and Naria. Form's behaviour is suspect, Glirdan's day one vote is incriminating, as is Naria's, and simple silence from wayne and quietness from Marcolie put me off. Unless something startling emerges, I will look into these six today. I definitely want them to start talking more.

02-07-2006, 05:15 PM	#10
WaynetheGoblin Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: far far away Posts: 275	Sorry for not posting for a long time but im starting of with my vote. ++WAYNETHEGOBLIN __________________ if your happy im happy if your sad im sad if you jump of a cliff i watch

02-07-2006, 04:40 PM	#6
the guy who be short Shadowed Prince Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Thulcandra Posts: 2,343	For clarification, "no votes" above refers to votes that would and did not affect the outcome, not lack of votes. I am pleased to see Glirdan, at least, return. I'd also like him to reply to my accusation about his Day 1 vote for SpM - a complete waste. That said, Glirdan and Cailin, you have both raised interesting points about SpM. Twice in a row, he has cast the first vote for an innocent. Perhaps he is simply cursed with too much authority - people follow him too much, and the votes he casts influence others too much, incriminating him. I recall that his Abercrombie vote was particularly late.

02-07-2006, 05:43 PM	#11
Garin Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ciudad de Lago del Sal Posts: 331	I'm not going to waste the whole day defending myself to Cailin, who seems to have a awful mean streak that seems quite predatory, if you catch my meaning. Even if Valier did trust, her which isn't obvious it doesn't mean that a wolf-lin wouldn't take her out. I voted for Shelob to save my life, it would've been a double lynch. If that doesn't seem reasonable, I don't know what else to say. I'm not the suicidal one in this group. I think the non-voters should be put under suspicion because voting records are one of the most telling and permanent things we have with which to root out the wolves. Edit: I was called away from my desk so I cross-posted with quite a few people, including that odd vote. __________________ I am a sick man ... I am a spiteful man. I am an unpleasant man. I think my liver is diseased. Fyodor Dostoevsky "Notes From the Underground" Last edited by Garin; 02-07-2006 at 05:49 PM.

02-07-2006, 04:16 PM	#12
Cailín Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lurking in the shadows. Posts: 711	Wow, Valier died. That is certainly… unexpected. She was not without suspicion and did not seem as much as a threat as some. I shall miss the silly (coco)nut, though. Shall I point out something funny? Cailín voted exactly the same as Valier did for two days in a row. Valier more or less trusted her and she seemed to trust Valier. Could this kill possibly have been made to make her look good? Wait – is this a case against myself? Or – was perhaps Valier targetted as the Seer? I can see no other clear reason: surely by the third Night, the wolves usually go looking for the Seer. That would put Garin in a rather negative light. Actually, he would stay in a rather negative light. As of yet, I do not know. Five people failed to show up for voting yesterDay. It was a close call between me, Shelob and Garin. Two of these are definitely innocent. Both Mormegil and Saucepan Man are still alive. So is Spawn. This is both good as well as highly disturbing. Either they are wolves or they are completely in the wrong. Both is pretty bad. On first sight, we seem to be no closer to finding a wolf. Or at least, I am not. Then I have some sad, real life news. Within half an hour, I’m going to bed. I will have to get up very early and spend the entire day fighting big guys with wooden swords. Yes, this is indeed true. I will not be able to return till about two hours before the deadline. I’m dreadfully sorry, but these things are practically obligatory and also quite a fun way to get extra credits. I hope you’ll manage without me. I’m sure you will.

02-07-2006, 04:30 PM	#13
Cailín Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lurking in the shadows. Posts: 711	By the way, I would like to get an explanation from Garin for his last moment decision. As I said after analysing Shelob myself, I could not really build a case against her. The case against me was somewhat stronger. I'll be honest and tell you I was hoping someone (Marcolie) was going to show up and vote for you still. Dancing Spawn and Saucepan Man... twice you now voted for the innocent who was lynched at the end of the Day. This is no accusation - more people have voted for two innocents and indeed it is more subtle to not be on the 'winning' bandwagon. However, like me probably, you have a tendency to be in full control of the game. These outcomes show that. I hope you are aware that, if things go the wrong way, people will start blaming you. And I hope these people are aware that they will. This is really just a plea for people to make up their own minds. Also - I very much wish to know why so many people failed to vote. I've never seen anything like it. Is there a policy - like in WWXII - that you are automatically lynched if you have failed to show up for voting a few times? Because TGWBS is right - all these non-participants are only in the way right now. I'm still in favour of lynching Garin right now. I am not sure whether I appreciated his 'better you than me'. I'm not ready to let my suspicions go. Edit: crossposted with Glirdy. Last edited by Cailín; 02-07-2006 at 04:45 PM. Reason: Second edit: I typed blaiming. What is blaiming? I couldn't live with it.