Tol-in-Gaurhoth XVII: The Saga Continues to Continue quite Continuously

[malkatoj]

I'd like to mention (again) that my vote was CROSS-POSTED with SpM's long rant/defense.

Spawn: Anyone who votes Sauce because of "swaying" looks pretty bad in my eyes now.

It's not just the swaying-it's who the votes are for, too, plus his general attitude. He seems wolfish, and if it's just his normal personality, I would have no way of knowing.

Glirdan: malka - Finds it wierd that Wayne is pulling a Nilp and thinks that Gil's voter for him is even more odd. Wants to point out that, even though she doesn't believe that SpM is a Wolf, he was the one who started the Shelob and Crombie bandwagons. Agrees that we should double lynch, SpM and Wayne preferably. Votes for Saucy because he led the bandwaggoning.

I don't know what I said, but I *meant* that it doesn't necessarily make him a wolf. It seems likely. And I guess I changed my mind about the best candidate for lynching between the post and the vote.

[Garin]

Cailin,
You sound sad and angry, indeed.
I apologize if seem to get too personal, I am just reacting to someone who wished me dead. This is why I tried to keep my mouth shut this game, I forget how young and sensitive some of the Downs members are. Anyways, best of luck to you. I plan to keep to my pledge not to post a retribution vote and hope there is not a double lynch in the making.

[the guy who be short]

Originally Posted by Cailin

Innocents:

Nilp
TGWBS
Glirdan
Kath
Saucepan Man

While I support the majority of those, Cailin, I would like to ask why you consider Glirdan to be innocent, taking into account the points I have made against him earlier today.

For myself, I see the werewolves as mormegil, Glirdan, and either Garin or a quiet villager such as wayne, Gil or Marco.

[Cailín]

While I support the majority of those, Cailin, I would like to ask why you consider Glirdan to be innocent, taking into account the points I have made against him earlier today.

Do you want a long analysis or the honest truth? Because of lack of time, I shall settle for the second.

1) You made some valid points against Glirdan. HOWEVER I know Glirdan to be a rather fickle player and not always mindful of each and every word.

2) I believe him.

3) He thinks me innocent. Reasonable or not, this definitely helps.

4) I would never in a million years believe Wolf-Glirdan to be brave enough to go up against the Saucepan Man

5) He made a good impression on me on Day 1 - despite his odd vote - and I believe he merely got himself in to trouble trying to explain that vote.

That is all I am afraid.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Cailín

3) He thinks me innocent. Reasonable or not, this definitely helps.

This may be a bit pedantic but come on doesn't this appear wolfish to anybody else? You want to keep him around because he thinks you're innocent?

This does not appear be innocent to me at all!

[Cailín]

Wayne - Wayne
Gil - Wayne
Malkatoj - Saucepan Man
Glirdan - Saucepan Man
Mormegil - Cailín
Nilpaurion - Cailín
Saucepan Man - Cailín
Naria - Formendacil
TGWBS - Mormegil
Spawn - Wayne

Yet to vote:

Garin
Cailín
Marcolie
Formendacil
Kath

Just addressing another issue: my comment about SpM and Spawn has totally been misinterpreted. I was hoping to encourage everyone to make up their own mind… in a rather unprofessional way.

Mormegil - whatever I say, you will never believe me. But - is being non-commitical (just because you are honestly clueless) really worse than to keep acting on instinct when that will lead the village to its doom?

About Glirdan - I said I was just being honest. I know myself. And really, I think everyone is more inclined to believe those who seem to believe you.

[the guy who be short]

Originally Posted by morm

Plus as I've said ever since day 1 she didn't sit right with me

And that is what your entire argument against Cailin comes down to! Through the last two days, all you can state is a bad feeling, and dress it up with minor attacks that could be applied to anybody!

She's had a fairly innocuous track record on voting and what she says is moderately insightful but noncommittal.

As compared to the immense commitment and insight offered by posts from Gil, wayne, Naria and marco?

Nothing would please me greater than you coming up with an actual accusation based on some sort of logic, allowing me to believe in your innocence, morm. But until then - well, you're as plain a wolf as I've ever seen.

[Garin]

Unfortunately, I have a meeting in half an hour and I am torn in my voting. I want it to resonate but I am not convinced in either direction. I will avoid the whole coin tossing routine because it nearly got me lynched.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Garin

Unfortunately, I have a meeting in half an hour and I am torn in my voting. I want it to resonate but I am not convinced in either direction. I will avoid the whole coin tossing routine because it nearly got me lynched.

I would recommend not being late but also voting. The lack of voting will increase suspicion of you and not provide the village with help. I care not which way you vote though as I stated I feel Cailin is guilty, I think that everybody should vote every time.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Cailin

But - is being non-commitical (just because you are honestly clueless) really worse than to keep acting on instinct when that will lead the village to its doom?

No it is not, but I don not believe that I am clueless. I am not act on instinct alone. I have attempted to give my reasons as to why I suspect you and as you say I won't believe you, it seems that you and TGWBS won't believe me.

Originally Posted by TGWBS

As compared to the immense commitment and insight offered by posts from Gil, wayne, Naria and marco?

Ah, but there is one major difference, Cailin is being vocal. Now read more so you know what I mean. A moderately vocal person is less noticeable than a loud or silent person. We all comment on the silent and louds but rarely do we say 'oh look so and so is being neither loud nor quiet...they must be mother bear. No, furthermore it's a large group of people. Now the difference between Cailin and say Kath is the manner of their posts. Cailin is giving the pretense of being helpful and yet not committing to anything. Kath may not be the best example but you get my meaning....perhaps I could contrast her to you, although you are becoming one of us loud mouths (welcome to our fraternity ) But the difference is that at least you are stating something and sticking your neck out to be seen. Cailin has yet to do that and fits perfectly into what I expect to see in wolves.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by TGWBS

I heavily criticised this comment from mormegil:

I thought I had answered this for you my friend but I will explain it again, perhaps more succinctly. What I found in her post was a summary of your posts and therein I found it odd the amount of posts you had given but the low quality of what had been said. Up to that point you really hadn't given much by way of helpful comments. Having said that I am currently inclined to call you one of the more helpful villagers albeit misguided. You are undertaking lenghtly and insightful analysis which is generally helpful. I also commented, if you remember, that since I had posted that I noted the change in your behavior which seems good but could be construed as suspicious. For you are responding or reacting, if you will, to what I criticized in your behavior.

Let me explain more clearly, I saw you moderately suspicious because you weren't analyzing anything but speaking a lot. As a wolf TGWBS you saw that and thought 'oh I better change that so they don't continue to notice it'. Now there is the more benign stance that you simply didn't have much time the first day or two but have since been able to dedicate yourself more fully. I believe the latter but will not forget the potential of first possibility as well.

What I do find interesting is why you are so adamant to defend Cailin? You've associated yourself with her and if, as I believe, turns out to be a wolf you will be incriminated. And that is fine if you are a wolf, but if you are not I beg you to not do so as it will cause an innocent death.

Conclusion: While not fully sure I find TGWBS most likely innocent and that he's being very helpful if somewhat misguided.

My suspicions of Cailin I have posted and stand behind them. She's had a fairly innocuous track record on voting and what she says is moderately insightful but noncommittal. This is behavior I would anticipate seeing in a wolf. This is why I went for her. I've kept Glirdan and others on my radar but she is really sticking out to me. Plus as I've said ever since day 1 she didn't sit right with me. I also stated that on day 1 so you accuse me of following up on what I proposed? That seems a bit off the mark to me. I would rather have somebody declare their intentions and stick to it if they find it justified than not.