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View Poll Results: The ‘special freedom’ of Man is expressed:
During his lifetime, in Arda, through special freedom of action 22 61.11%
In the fact of the Death 21 58.33%
After the Death 12 33.33%
I’m not sure 3 8.33%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 36. You may not vote on this poll

 
 
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Old 02-15-2006, 02:38 PM   #22
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So Men can have 'Free Will', as in outside the Music, while still being held to the course that Iluvatar has set for their existance. I would call that (by that I mean having every bit of your life already set in stone) predestination, and therefore, not Free Will.
So all the mentioning of free will in various matters (such as the choice of the half-elven between races, the choice of the numenoreans and of Men of old to end their existence, the rehousing of the elven fea) are mere jokes? So there isn't actually but one actor, which rends irrelevant morality, good will or whatever trait of character? Can you support your idea with specific refferences?

What would be the justification of fea, rational soul? Not to mention that any mind can manifest _unwill_ that is free will against invasion - and no one can cross this absolute law, not even the mightiest vala.

I know of only one instance when Men are lacking free will (from the Athratbeth):
"the Elves believed that the fear of dead Men also went to Mandos (without choice in the matter: their free will with regard to death was taken away)."
but even that seems to be just an elven belief.
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