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davem · 02-16-2006, 03:15 PM

Ok then, If Feanor had agreed to surrender the Silmarils to Yavanna, thereby avoiding the Revolt & its consequences, & asked permission to lead a force into M-e to confront Morgoth, Manwe would have been free to agree. The effect would have been the same: Noldor in M-e to lead the long struggle against Morgoth.

The problem we face is how to account for the fact that Elves apparently have no freedom to act against the dictates of the Music, but are still moral beings, not robots.

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During his lifetime, in Arda, through special freedom of action	22	61.11%
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02-16-2006, 03:15 PM	#22
davem Illustrious Ulair Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In the home of lost causes, and forsaken beliefs, and unpopular names,and impossible loyalties Posts: 4,240	Ok then, If Feanor had agreed to surrender the Silmarils to Yavanna, thereby avoiding the Revolt & its consequences, & asked permission to lead a force into M-e to confront Morgoth, Manwe would have been free to agree. The effect would have been the same: Noldor in M-e to lead the long struggle against Morgoth. The problem we face is how to account for the fact that Elves apparently have no freedom to act against the dictates of the Music, but are still moral beings, not robots. __________________ “Everything was an object. If you killed a dwarf you could use it as a weapon – it was no different to other large heavy objects."