WWJ IV: Let the insanity ensue

[Valier]

Well there's only three hours left till deadline and theres only been one vote and nothing of substance for posts. I might have to post again soon with my vote. I was trying to wait till the last possible moment before I leave for the day.

Edit: 2 votes so far
Firefoot-For Nogrod
Elu-For Jenny

[Roa_Aoife]

I return from lobbying for better treatment of ponies ((work)) to find such a quiet village. I agree with Firefoot- this is very frustrating. So many people have been quiet today! And many of those speaking have done nothing useful. Folwren and Firefoot seem to be offering the best analysis. Valier, even if it was the first day, many people managed to post something of substance, so that's hardly useful.

I'm afraid I won't be able to get back on till after the day is over, so I'm going to have to vote now.

I don't trust Elu, but with his time contraints he isn't here to defend himself, and I think it's rather unfair to attack him in that light. I will definitely be keeping an eye on him in the future though.

I'm inclined to think Jenny's eagerness is related to her newbie (no offense) status. And again, she isn't here to defend herself. (Why are all the suspicious people absent today?)

So, I'm going for the third on my list.

++Valier

She's jumpy and eager to please, but still manages to add no new information to the table. Good night, dear neighbors.

[Valier]

She's jumpy and eager to please, but still manages to add no new information to the table. Good night, dear neighbors.

Sorry to say Roa but there is no new information yet and as trying to please anyone that's absurd! I only wish to kill us a wolf.

I thought that my analisis of everyone and how I feel was information.I think in games like this there becomes key players that the wolves are afraid to kill and the villagers tend to follow. I believe key players now are Firefoot, Mithalwen, Folwren, and Roa. So theres only 2 hours left and I must be off so I will vote for.

++Mithalwen

Not for retribution for her vote for me yesterday but, because I think she is a clever wolf.

[Mithalwen]

OK I have just finished work and need to read properly but theree is something I really needto get off my chest. This really belongs on the discussion thread but it is clear that not everyone checks this. If they did I wouldn't need to post it. So fully aware of possible consequences for me should suspicions about her be founded, here goes.

Jenny Hallu posted on the 15th in the WWJ thread that she had to return home for a funeral.

I have limited internet acess and so I am predisposed to others in the same predicament. Nevertheless if I join a game I do try to give it as much time as I can. I am getting slightly exasperated by people who join when they know they will have other commitments but to suggest that someone would fake or exploit a bereavement as a strategy is frankly obscene.

This is a game and we "murder in jest" but we all have real lives. Do not forget that behind the game and the silly screen names there are real people and they are going through real sorrow.

I know many of you are a lot younger than I am and I hope sincerely that you have suffered fewer significant bereavements, therefore I am sure people have spoken thoughtlessly rather than with deliberate cruelty. Nevertheless there are somethings that are not fit for jokes.

Right I have said my piece. I will try not to let the cheap shots at an easy target affect the way I play the rest of the game.

[Nogrod]

Even as I confess being one of the causes for the quieteness around here today, I still think, this is quite bad.

Everyone has applauded Firefoot's and Folwren's thoughtful mails. And so do I. Even though I must disagree with Firefoot's last conclusions concerning myself.

With respect, I still have to question her logic or reasons for her behaviour on that one. First she says, that she found my vote for Eonwe strange. After that, she has come to suspect Eonwe as I said I kind of suspected. So what follows? A vote for me... If Firefoot just wanted to make me react and start posting something, there could be less heavy ways for doing it than a vote to lynch one? (Anyhow, she could have read my post at the discussion thread, that I wouldn't be online untill very late)

But why did I then suspected Eonwe in the first place, and why now too?

Well. He came very rapidly and powerfully defended (by Roa & Folwren) after being accused the first day. Still I had no idea, whether both saving knights would be wolves themselves - that kind of action might be quite stupid. So not knowing, which one of them to suspect, I could still think, that the object of this saving operation (and throwing the shadow over Jenny) was a wulf. All this, of course presuming, this scenario had any truth in it...

Remember: the first day, and no good leads anywhere. This tiny one the only I found.

Then today one interesting remark on the thread, post 88, by Eonwe.

My thoughts exactly, about lynching wilwa. Wilwa is smart enough to be a good asset, and should have been saved for later, even if she was suspicious. which she was entirely not, seeing as if she had been a wolf, she wouldn't have let that happen to her. I put much more faith in her skills than that.

That bring me back to the first and last people to vote for wilwa: Roa and Jenny. And I think Jenny is by far teh more suspicious of the two.

So. Some suspicion / distaste (because "causing" hunters death) could be seen over both Jenny and Roa. Now Eonwe coming to support Roa? And Roa helped Eonwe yesterday.

Someone talked about co-operation being quite wulfish. Surely, they are the only ones' that can do that by PM. I could be persuaded to see some here...

But as I said earlier, this is very little indeed.

Just to answer the doubts questioning my reasons to vote for Eonwe.

[Sleepy Ranger]

playing it safe,

++Sleepy Ranger

[Mithalwen]

Oh great, that is so helpful... now we have self votes as well as spite votes.

Folwren and Firefoot have both posted reasonable, substantial analyses. It would be foolish to trust anyone completely but they are reliable people to have around. I am not sure I agree with either about Nogrod. I have enough problem trusting my own hunches without risking other peoples.

I will really have to think about my vote. I stated my intention earlier but.... I have a natural resistance to "tit for tat" voting. Hmmm

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Folwren and Firefoot have both posted reasonable, substantial analyses. It would be foolish to trust anyone completely but they are reliable people to have around. I am not sure I agree with either about Nogrod. I have enough problem trusting my own hunches without risking other peoples.

Sorry. But I was just trying to give some reasons for voting Eonwe the first day, because I had myself been voted on the basis of that vote today, on grounds, that my vote was "strange". How many not-strange decisions have been made yesterday or today?

I think, I said quite clearly that:
a) They were the tiny little & only one thing I had to base my vote on
b) Even if i had found something supporting my first-day ideas today, I definitely said that they were very little indeed

So, I was defending my vote, not accusing anyone straight ahead. As I said yesterday: better to vote with even the slightest of idea, why, than by pure chance. So in a way I think exactly as you do: not just hunches, but ideas, even fragile ones'. Or then not voting at all, of course...

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Sorry. But I was just trying to give some reasons for voting Eonwe the first day, because I had myself been voted on the basis of that vote today, on grounds, that my vote was "stange". How many not-strange decisions have been made yesterday or today & am I the only one who has to give reasons votes?

I think I said quite clearly that:
a) They were the tiny little & only one thing I had to base my vote
b) Even if i had found something supporting my first-day ideas, I definitely said that they were very little indeed

So, I was defending my vote, not accusing anyone straight ahead. As I said yesterday: better to vote with even the slightest of idea, why, than by pure chance. So in a way I think exactly as you do: not just hunches, but ideas, even fragile ones'. Or then not voting at all, of course...

Oh I am doomed to be misunderstood..... I menat that I didn't agree with their suspicion of you on - I think Folwren said " a funny feeling".... sometimes funny feelings are right but the wrong conclusions can be drawn....... I don't want to be more explicit ... since as I said hunches can be misleading... and I am having enough trouble with the vote to go into it now....

[Mithalwen]

Well to vote for someone with no votes unless we concur is tokenism. Otherwise it is a choice of Jenny or one of the others. Of course we both have the power to save ourselves unless we vote for each other. I have no intention of voting for you.

If I vote it will be either for Valier - becasue I have suspected her more or less since get go and I think her posts contribute little - or we could put Sleepy out of his misery.....

[Nogrod]

I do think Jenny deserves the benefit of doubt anyhow, at least now.

Not voting someone of us or two people someone other, she will die.

Sleepy was kind of suspicios, and this self-vote is odd. Passive, chivalric or cunning wulf-tactics?

Valier?

Doubleposted with Mith.

[Mithalwen]

So with 25 minutes to go it seems that Nogrod, Sleepy, Valier, Jenny and I have a vote each.

I would do more analysis but it seem pointless at this stage if noone else is around.


So as things stand. Jenny dies? So I could save her and myself with my vote ..... I think her innocent but ..if I am wrong ...and another innocent dies as a result... I dislike such power. IS anyone else voting?

[Nogrod]

I am, I think. Not sure.

Don't like this situation at all.