WWJ V: The Broken Souls

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Regardless of how serious or not-serious you are, I think you're going too far. I think her hair was red only because of the blood...? And though THE Ka's avvie looks like a maniac, the person in it doesn't have blood-stained hair.

Well, the EEK!, should tell you...

But you seem very intent in defending THE Ka from Roa's accusations? I admit myself believing, at least for now, that Sleepy's "hint" for Roa is a better case than Roa's against THE KA, but still...

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

But you seem very intent in defending THE Ka from Roa's accusations? I admit myself believing, at least for now, that Sleepy's "hint" for Roa is a better case than Roa's against THE KA, but still...

Haven't you been reading my posts,
Touché-man? I'm not defending Ka, I'm actually accusing her. I just want to keep all doors open. Originally posted by me on THE Ka-theory:
Accusing:

Interesting theory, Roa. It is as good as mine, maybe.

Or actually better, I'd say.

Defending:

Quite interesting this is. But have you got any basis on your argument why would Sleepy use just that kind of subtlety?

Regardless of how serious or not-serious you are, I think you're going too far. I think her hair was red only because of the blood...? And though THE Ka's avvie looks like a maniac, the person in it doesn't have blood-stained hair.

I'm not strongly accusing her but neither defending her. And I realise that you can't see my thoughts behind my posts. Maybe I should have made it clearer, but I find Roa's theory quite solid, and it's probably the best theory here yet. THE Ka is at the top of my suspicions list, but she's no clear number one.

[Nogrod]

I'll have to leave for the choir rehersals, and have to vote.

I'll briefly summarize, what I have thus far (I'll leave those morning's "random accusations" to their own worth = don't have time to go over them any more).

Gil-Galad: one "nonsense"-post, nothing else

WQ: nothing at all

Hints by Sleepy:

Roa: seeks revenge

Naria: the loose madman-butcher? + Sleepy's throat cut

Holbytlass: master faker

Accusation of Roa:
THE Ka: Cupid's arrow + RL romance, different character post by Sleepy

So as I have been saying, I will go for the quiet or nonsense posters, if we don't have any better ideas. Now I do think we have better one's, thanks to someone remembering Sleepy saying that he would give us hints of some sort.

So. I will stick to his hints. And as I have to vote this early, I don't want to make the difference now by voting Naria - she being already voted by Holbytlass (sic!).

So there remains Roa to vote.

++ Roa_Aoife

I have a weird feeling, I have done something like this in some earlier life of mine...

PS. Thinlómien: I admit you being right in that point about your not taking sides between Roa / THE Ka -thing. I was negligent over some of your posts... Sorry.

[Nogrod]

And this one still, before I go...

And as I have to vote this early, I don't want to make the difference now by voting Naria - she being already voted by Holbytlass (sic!).

So of the three I find hinted at in Sleepy's message, one has voted for the most suspicious one. And the third has made a theory of some kind. With this little information I go with having the tally even. You others hopefully are better informed, and can hunt us one wulf, when the evening draws to a close...

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

PS. Thinlómien: I admit you being right in that point about your not taking sides between Roa / THE Ka -thing. I was negligent over some of your posts... Sorry.

You're forgiven.

And LMP - I forgot to mention earlier, but - my name is Thinlómien not Thinlomiel. Just to inform you.

I would like to hear more from especially Gil-Galad, Valesse and Valier. They haven't practically said anything.

EDIT: xposted with Nogrod

[Valier]

Vell I am ere now! I see zhat udders vould accuze me becauze ob my lovely accent! I atture you I am not evil! Vell a bit ....but not VHAT evil!

I ave looked over Sleepy's posting..... I do not zhink he would ave left uz vith too much on zee first day. But tomorrow iz a different ztory! My zuzpitions are ztill random. I am not able to come up vith anything vith zubstance today. I muzt vote zoon, before I go to find me a air brush.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Valier

Vell I am ere now! I see zhat udders vould accuze me becauze ob my lovely accent! I atture you I am not evil! Vell a bit ....but not VHAT evil!

I ave looked over Sleepy's posting..... I do not zhink he would ave left uz vith too much on zee first day. But tomorrow iz a different ztory! My zuzpitions are ztill random. I am not able to come up vith anything vith zubstance today. I muzt vote zoon, before I go to find me a air brush.

No one accuses you for your lovely accent, Duchess Valier; you are accused because you use your accent as a cover, milady!

[Roa_Aoife]

Quite interesting this is. But have you got any basis on your argument why would Sleepy use just that kind of subtlety?

Because that's the way he is. It's just his style. Very clever and sneaky, he is.

Now, I hate to follow a trend, but LMP beat me to my vote. And while I don't like making a difference in a lynching, it stands that if someone does not get two votes, Thin will be the lynchee, as we aren't double lynching. I may not agree with Thin's accusations of me, but she's adding valuable discussion, and has kept the village from being silent. That's too valuable to throw away today.

And so

++THE Ka

EDIT: Cross posted with the last three posts.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

Because that's the way he is. It's just his style. Very clever and sneaky, he is.

Well that can be agreed.

I will vote nearer the closing time (=when I have to go), but now I say I'll probably bandwagon for THE Ka.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

I may not agree with Thin's accusations of me, but she's adding valuable discussion, and has kept the village from being silent. That's too valuable to throw away today.

And apparently you are turning the knife already in my belly as I voted for you, one of our best discussioners today... Augh!

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

And apparently you are turning the knife already in my belly as I voted for you, one of our best discussioners today... Augh!

You were going to a choir practice? You seem to be very good at leaving...

[Valier]

Originally Posted by Thinlomien

No one accuses you for your lovely accent, Duchess Valier; you are accused because you use your accent as a cover, milady!

I ez no cover! I svear it! I alvays talk like dis...It iz more deztinguizhed! I am feeling de air on my delicate neck ztand up. I diztruzt Nogrod and all is..... Accuzations! Ever ear of ooh smealt it dealt it? I lean towardz our muzition....He may be iding behind Is wordz.

I do not vish to lynch our dear birdy maker yet, zhe iz a good help with ze people.

Edit: And Nogrod vhat my I azk iz a wulf? I ave eared of no zuch thing! Only a madman and ze traitorz.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Valier

I ez no cover! I svear it! I alvays talk like dis...It iz more deztinguizhed! I am feeling de air on my delicate neck ztand up. I diztruzt Nogrod and all is..... Accuzations! Ever ear of ooh smealt it dealt it? I lean towardz our muzition....He may be iding behind Is wordz.

I do not vish to lynch our dear birdy maker yet, zhe iz a good help with ze people.

You may always talk like that, but I think you assume that if you speak in a strange (or "sophisticated" as you say) way, it takes the attention from your posts and you don't have to say anything meaningful. That is not the case.

Interesting, how the alliances begin to form...

Have you any special reason to distrust Nogrod or to trust THE Ka?

[Naria]

Originally Posted by Holbytlass

So that you could slip under the radar?

Slipping....I wasn't trying to do any slipping under anyone's 'radar'. I was simply stating that I didn't agree with the 'looking at the quiet ones' at the very beginning of the game, not hiding just a statement. But I guess like you said

we need to start somewhere

.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Naria: seems to be a bit mad (not caring of anything real, just laughing alone

And

Naria: the loose madman-butcher? + Sleepy's throat cut

And

You could also see, that Sleepy had next to the Cupid's arrow, mentioned to have his throat slahed so that his head was almost off. The butcher would have the tools and art to do it...

Come on man, do you honestly think that Sleepy would set me up like this? I would like to think that you would give him more credit than this. I picked my occupation not Sleepy, I think he's just going along with our job descriptions at this point in the game. So, don't read too much into what Sleepy has said about me....it won't get you very far.


[QUOTE-lmp] Naria: her "wait and see" attitude as described in #32 seemed a bit opportunistic and therefore perhaps wolfish to me; I am vindicated in this thinking by Holbytlass in her vote.[/QUOTE]

Once again, it was meerly a statment. I realize that we all need to 'get the ball rolling' per se. But going after someone because they either don't know what to say in the first day or just aren't around when everyone else is doesn't make much sense to me. My "wait and see" attitude is mostly used in the first two days, with not much else to go on, that is what I do to sort things out.

And how exactly are you vindicatd by Holby's vote?


Too sum up this post: some people have a knack for analyzing, some for posting lots and some just talk to hear their own voices. I am none of those. I am not saying that I will not participate in discussion, I am saying that you will not see any of those traits from me. So I am not trying to hide, except of coarse when it comes to the evil that lurks in the shadows. I am merely letting you all know that when I have suspicions or have something useful to add I will. Take away with this as you will, there may not be another post this big from me again.

[Encaitare]

Please note: I'm writing this as I'm reading and re-reading the thread, so please forgive a little stream-of-consciousness.

Originally Posted by me

Some degree of pressure on quiet players is a good thing -- a nudge like "I'd like to hear more from so-and-so" is likely to do the trick. And it's better if everyone talks, because then at least there is something substantial to back up your opinions of people.

However... while there is often one wolf who is one of "the quiet ones," we shouldn't base guilt solely on how much one talks. There are sometimes other reasons for being quiet -- RL conflicts, or as the game gets more heated, it takes a long time to actually read and process everyone else's posts!

Originally Posted by Thinlomien

Enca isn't really saying anything, but I'm not blaming her for that. I do it all the time! Being unable to make sound opinions doesn't always lead to wolvishness.

What's your definition of "sound," 'Lommy? I'm just leaving all options open. RL gets in the way of games sometimes, and it's frustrating to be suspected only because you couldn't get to a computer! I would say that it is a better strategy to keep an eye out for people who talk but whose posts really don't have much content. And now for my thoughts after reviewing the thread...

The ideas about Sleepy hiding hints in his opening posts are interesting (and I admire your careful reading and theorizing!), but I don't think we can base a lynching on them. While hidden clues would certainly be very helpful, the moderator is supposed to be impartial and generally anything s/he writes is not meant to give hints towards anyone's role. (Have there been precedents of this kind of hinting from the mods in other games? From the games I've played in, there have not been, and in some cases the mod even gave a disclaimer that none of his/her posts contained clues. Maybe if we could get a little disclaimer or something from Sleepy on this to tell us whether his posts are valid clues or not?)

Right now the votes are as such:

1. THE Ka voted for Thinlomien
2. Holbytlass voted for Naria
3. Eonwe voted for LMP
4. LMP voted for THE Ka
5. Nogrod voted for Roa_Aoife
6. Roa_Aoife voted for THE Ka

So the totals are:

Thinlomien: 1
Naria: 1
LMP: 1
THE Ka: 2
Roa_Aoife: 1

The kill could still go any way right now, since there are so many people left to vote. Assuming that Day 1 will end 24 hours after Sleepy's post #4 told us to begin, this will be the last time I can get online toDay. I am therefore forced to vote now.

I agree with LMP regarding THE Ka here:

Originally Posted by LMP

2. She protests way too much in defense of every single possible contingency of which she finds herself able to be accused; that seems rather guilty behavior to me.

From experience I've learned that sometimes too vocal a self-defense can be telling. I therefore will vote for Ka, since most other posts are either intelligently analytical, or totally devoid of substance. If she is lynched, perhaps we'll find out if any of these theories about hidden clues are valid!

++ THE Ka

[Thinlómien]

What's your definition of "sound," 'Lommy? I'm just leaving all options open. RL gets in the way of games sometimes, and it's frustrating to be suspected only because you couldn't get to a computer! I would say that it is a better strategy to keep an eye out for people who talk but whose posts really don't have much content. And now for my thoughts after reviewing the thread...

Sound = not leaving all options open, saying just one thing but nothing to oppose it
which leads to
sound - not necessarily a good thing

I'm not accusing you. I myself have also suggested to keep an eye on the nonsense-talkers. I think your post was rather well done, you brought up more than one side of the matter. I keep doing that too, and I know from experience that that may (accidentally) lead to actually not saying anything.

If you have RL problems, that's okay. I don't think anyone has accused you very much because of your silence. Everybody has RL things to do, and some have more than some other people and there are more things on some days than on others. It's just a fact.

EDIT: xposted with the two Valier's posts before this