WWJ V: The Broken Souls

[Roa_Aoife]

Also, when you said to look at the Ka voters, you thought to look at the beginning or end votes, not at the middle, where Enca was. That's a little too convenient for my tastes. Only in your very next post did you look at the middle, suddenly thinking Enca was suspicious. You contradicted yourself. Can you explain?

EDIT: Just letting you know that I have to go for the time being. I'll be back about an hour before voting closes.

[JennyHallu]

Thank you, Ang, for elaborating on the case against Enca. I am not sure what I think of her, it's hard to see someone as wolvish whom you thought must be innocent all along. Rather humbling. I am going to have to consider long and hard before I make my decision today.

Naria, I am absolutely taking you off my suspicious list. I may not understand your voting, but I believe you are innocent. Nogrod is once again being silly:

This threat to reveal her identity seems quite dubious to me... as we seem to have better candidates for the seer's post around.

The Seer is not the only Gifted, Nogrod. And Ang makes a good point regarding speculation on the identity of the seer. I wonder if you carefully read the day's posting, as you go right back to such speculation.

My list so far:

Probably Innocent: Myself, Ang, Roa, Naria (whew, it's nice to cross so many off my list.)

Unsure: Nogrod, Encaitare, Eonwe (You make excellent points, Roa, I wonder how Eonwe has been slipping so easily under our radar...you'd think I would have learned after Mith in my past life...)

Looking very bad: Thinlomien, Gil

A further question for Thinlomien:

The possibility (mathematically) to catch even one wolf in two nights is very small. I think you shouldn't judge me or Naria on that basis. And if a seer doesn't know any of the wolves, she/he votes as randomly as anyone else (of course probably ruling out her/his known innocent). So please don't vote me only just because Holby didn't know I was innocent.

said by a seer I think must mean something. I think it means that Holby had dreamed about somebody of us bandwagoners and revealed he/she was a wolf. The bandwagoners are: LMP, Roa_Aoife, me, Enca and Jenny.

Either you think Holby dreamed of a wolf or you don't. If she did, she only expressed suspicion of you, and said nothing about Enca or myself. (She said nothing about myself at all)

This abrupt flip-flop, in a single post, seems to me wolvish. Its best defense is that I really don't think our wolves today are so clumsy.

[Nogrod]

JENNY: Naria, I am absolutely taking you off my suspicious list. I may not understand your voting, but I believe you are innocent. Nogrod is once again being silly:
Quote (NOGROD):
This threat to reveal her identity seems quite dubious to me...

I wouldn't like to be seen as a general prosecutor over Naria, but there sure is something odd here. I'm admittedly, just at beginners level, and maybe missing the idea here. In that case I sure would like to see me corrected on this one.

But why would anyone gifted kind of hint about her giftedness? Isn't it just like inviting the wolves to drop in the next night?

If Naria is a gifted and shouts out like that, I can't quite see her logic. I can see that gifteds either stay silent about their roles or then reveal themselves once and for all - for a reason that is good enough to die for the next night, or the next.

But still. I'm also considering Ang's suggestions. They seem quite reasonable. I'll go to see for them next. And Eonwe should be checked too, And Lommy... (with Gil, there is the problem, that there isn't much to check)

And as no-one else has kind of backed my sometime faltering, sometimes strengthening suspicions on Naria lately, I'm beginnig to waver myself with it too. I have no case against her - and don't boast to have one - but there just seems to be so many little things in there. Insiqnificant as they may be taken as themselves, but taken together, there's something odd in Naria's ways.

X-posted with Valesse. Good to see you back and posting!

[Naria]

This is were things stand with me so far:

The people who I think are innocent
ME, Jenny, Ang, Gil, Roa

Still unsure of as of now
Nogrod, Thinlo, and Eonwe

Suspicious
Valesse and Enca


My unsure of list would be because all three so far have made some very good cases. Nogrod and Thinlo are becoming more clear to me, but I am not ready to take either one out of that category as of now. Eonwe was making me suspicous but then said that if he/she would have voted yesterday he/she would have gone for Enca, I thought it to be some kind of flip-flop today but he/she did have Enca on their suspicous list. Still a no vote and the RL excuse confuses me.

My suspicous list would be because Valesse has come on briefly makes a point and leaves, then comes back on and votes for whichever one seems to be the most popular person at the time. Enca is here because I have had my suspicions about her/him. Ang has clarified this for me today and it makes sense.

[Thinlómien]

I'm here and it seems some people are sure that I'm a wolf. I tell you: if you want to kill an ordo toDay, kill me. Otherwise killing me makes no sense.

[Thinlómien]

Am I supposed to defend myself?

I can only say: read my posts through and think about them. Most of you won't do that - I know - since I was such a chatterbox on Day 1.

- If I was a wolf, would I be babbling so much and being so contradictory? Wouldn't I be a bit more careful with my words?
- If I was a wolf, would I bandawagon on the day one? I do know that bandwagoners get most attention the next day. And wolves don't like attention, and insightful attention the least.
- If I was a wolf, would I have talked all the Day 1, however bored I was? Wouldn'ät a wolf try not to get so much attention?
- If I was a wolf, wouldn't it have been wise for me to vote someone else than Valier or Nogrod yesterday? More innocents would have died, and I could have said "x (the person I voted) was more suspicious to me". I could have been ignoring the situation going on. Or voted earlier if I saw what would happen and then escape the responsibilty and spotlight. (This is assuming that Nogrod is an innocent, which is mathematically probable. Of course that can be said about everyone.)
- If I was a wolf, why would I have got frustrated with Eonwe on d1 when he voted totally randomly? Don't wolves like people who don't bother to analyse

Sorry, but I have to say that you're looking for a wolf from the wrong place. I hope you realise it before it's too late. For me and for the village.

EDIT: cross-posted with Valesse, Enca and Nogrod

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

- If I was a wolf, wouldn't it have been wise for me to vote someone else than Valier or Nogrod yesterday? More innocents would have died, and I could have said "x (the person I voted) was more suspicious to me". I could have been ignoring the situation going on. Or voted earlier if I saw what would happen and then escape the responsibilty and spotlight.

I guess Thinlómien is here making some sense. Although by admitting to being there in the first place (at voting time) would have kind of required some action: a villager should vote for one to save one and not to let them die both... But ignoring the situation might have been wise for a wolf (Eonwe? - although said RL was the reason for not voting, and that should be honoured), or a bit earlier "innocent looking" vote?

Time's running and everythings a mess!

[Thinlómien]

Goodness with you people!
There is no me against Naria case except maybe in Sleepy's narration, and I have no idea why is that, since today is the first day we've really suspected each other.

Quotes by Enca

Or, maybe I’m right.

I can tell you you're not, but I don't know if it's any help since you probably won't believe me.

Small, but not impossible.

Have I ever said otherwise? But I admit that I usually don't believe in luck; at the moment it's against the village and me.

Originally Posted by Jenny

Either you think Holby dreamed of a wolf or you don't. If she did, she only expressed suspicion of you, and said nothing about Enca or myself. (She said nothing about myself at all)
This abrupt flip-flop, in a single post, seems to me wolvish. Its best defense is that I really don't think our wolves today are so clumsy.

Okay I admit that it is not well-said. I admit I didn't think about that when I posted. I admit that I didn't read that post after writing it. But you surely should know my style after these three days. I am flip-floppy, and I can't help it, because I rather write flow of consciousness (as you yourself said) than detailed posts with clear opinions.

[Thinlómien]

Argh! You're so wrong that it makes me sick! Unfortunately you will probably see it in half an hour.

++Encaitare

EDIT: x-posting with everyone all the time

[Nogrod]

Anyone suggestions?

Lommy is getting lynched, and even if it's just a hunch, I find her more flip--flop than a wolf.

Taking Gil out now seems like irresponsible action on our part. We will have to have some reasons for our votes...

I'm inclined to take Ang's word for it and go for Enca. Let's not forget Ang's posts now, even Ang left quite a while ago...

And I'm still suspecting Naria a bit too. Threatening to reveal a gifted status and then doing nothing over it is suspicious. And using Sleepy's narration that way too...

Help!

[Sleepy Ranger]

Night drew closer, it became obvious that Gil-Galad would die. People believed that the same thing that happened with Encaitare would happen here as well but it didn't, as they prepared to kill him they all dropped asleep. But this time they weren't asleep, they were in a state of stasis. They could see and hear it all but do nothing about it. A dark cloud had vaporated around Gil-Galad and his skin slowly began to dissolve as he shook his arms around frantically in hopes of getting rid of it, screaming like a lunatic.

The few left alive watched helplessly as Gil-Galad was left there skinless after which the cloud began to dissolve his flesh ignorant of his cries of pain. A slow and painful death later, his bones dropped to the ground shattering upon hitting the ground, sending shards into the cheeks of all who had decieded to kill him, they had been marked. "It shall be over soon..." spake the voice of their host and they knew it was true.

Alive

JennyHallu(i) - The friendly neighborhood nutcase waving a doomsday sign around
Roa_Aoife(ii) - Babysitter, the blonde, large chested one that always runs upstairs when she should be running out of the house
Nogrod(ii) - Post-Structuralist musician
Thinlomien(ii) - Sculpter specialiazing in making nightmarish birds.
Anguirel - Herald at arms
Eonwe - Gold Miner
Valesse(i) - Poultry gender analysist

Dead

Sleepy Ranger (mod) - Impaled on a cupid's arrow with his head nearly cut off.
THE Ka (werewolf) - Moreish Pavlovian Psychologist - Had her legs cut off.
Littlemanpoet (innocent) - Traveling minstrel/bard - Had an eye gouged out and his hair ripped off.
Valier (innocent) - Cruel Duchess - Had her back snapped and wept tears of blood till death.
Witch_Queen (innocent) - Homeless guy - Died due to loss of too much blood through vomitting.
Holbytlass (seer) - Governess
Encaitare (werewolf) - a scientist who specializes in analyzing small pebbles and other silly things
Naria (innocent) - Butcher
Gil-Galad (innocent) - Bell Ringer

[Valesse]

Originally Posted by Naria

This is were things stand with me so far:

Suspicious
Valesse and Enca

My suspicous list would be because Valesse has come on briefly makes a point and leaves, then comes back on and votes for whichever one seems to be the most popular person at the time. Enca is here because I have had my suspicions about her/him. Ang has clarified this for me today and it makes sense.

Naria? What?
In the case of... well everyone that I have voted for so far in the game (heehee, which basically translates to Nogrod) I was the first person to cast the vote and I did so under my own suspicions. I have yet to 'disappear' and cast my vote yet toDay, so any pattern of activity which you accuse me of appears to be pure conjecture. In any case I would like to hear exactly how you came by that opinion other than the Thinlo-theory which is quite green.

If that is where you formed you "votes most popular" point, I'd comment on your pointer finger being a quick-draw.

**Cross-posted with Thinlo, though our posts don't have anything to do with one another, its decorum to point these things out.

[Encaitare]

Originally Posted by Ang

It's also interesting that you remember it was "way back then".

Actually, what I wrote was “way back when, implying that it could have been any time.

For instance, your hint that Thinlomien could be a wolf-consistent with your earlier analysis. A set-up gathering pace?

Or, maybe I’m right.

Then yesterday you went with the general feeling again by voting Valier.

I’m not sure it’s fair to say I “went with the general feeling” because I was the first to vote for Valier, and fairly late in the day at that. I am hardly to blame if people like to bandwagon at the last minute, as seems to be the trend in this village.

Thank you for at least providing a more thorough analysis.

Originally Posted by Thinlomien

The possibility (mathematically) to catch even one wolf in two nights is very small.

Small, but not impossible.

Originally Posted by JennyHallu

This abrupt flip-flop, in a single post, seems to me wolvish.

A good point. Thinlomien’s been defending herself fairly well, but with being so vocal perhaps a Wolf-Lommy would have to mess up at some point?

Here’s my suspicion hierarchy, if you will, of my fellow villagers right now.

Probably Innocent
Roa_Aiofe – because she only voted second for Ka
Anguirel – because he was the one to bring up that anvil hint when it otherwise would have gone unnoticed

Not Sure
Nogrod – like the title would imply, I’m really not sure… he just seems to play like an innocent. Maybe this cleanliness should make me more suspicious, but right now there are better places to turn my attentions.

Mildly Suspicious
JennyHallu – because she does tend to stay in the “middle zone”
Naria – hinting at being a Gifted is serious and risky business. She could actually be a Gifted, or she could be a wolf pretending to be one.
Valesse – for her absence
Eonwe – because he just seems to go along with whatever Anguirel says

Most Suspicious
Thinlomien – because of her vote on Day 1, Holby’s vote for her, constant posting, and maybe that little flip-flop, if a flip-flop it indeed was
Gil-Galad – for the unexplained vote and nearly total absence

I’ll probably vote for Thinlomien, but Gil is also a possibility.

[Valesse]

(This seemed quite long while I was writing it, and touched on to quite a few subjects so I revised into sections.)

Response to Holby:

Originally Posted by Holby

Don't find suspicious at this moment: Anguriel,Nogrod (despite the heated posts) and Roa_Aoife.

I'm very apt to take the seer's advice over my old hunch. Since there were two bandwagon votes on the first Day (as well you know more than probably anyone else.) I'm quite certain that Holby probably dreamed of Nogrod to see if we were correctly suspecting. Projected proof is more definative than tonal evaluation.

Absence of posts:
Really, I am quite sorry about how little I have been posting but between school and my birthday I suddenly became a very busy poultry gender analysist. I'm trying to at least get a post or two in each day, which isn't much, but know that it would be much more had I the time. (And really, most of the Day occurs while I'm off in dreamland-RL.) I was unaware exactly how much was going to happen at exactly the wrong time, so please bear with me (As long as the wolves and voters allow), because I'm doing the best that I can.

Discussion at hand:
Now for something on topic. Roa brought it up, and seeing as I'm not exactly wary of her I'm very keen on looking in to it:

not so long ago there was a story about a wolf named Ang who voted for his fellow wolf named Thin on the very first day, and got her lynched. He thus avoided suspicion till the very last day.

(Or post #169 if you'd like to see the quote she used to support.)

This on top of everyone else's research into the mind that is Thinlo has really got something to say for herself.

Considering the ramifications:
If Thinlo is OR is not a wolf then we should definitely look at post #231 (Post Analysis). I'm willing to assume that Thinlo and Holby might have downplayed their known allies, but so far I have not taken that into the account in my posts so far. It just bears mentioning in my honest opinion.