WWJ V: The Broken Souls

[Nogrod]

...or against Gil...

[JennyHallu]

If my accusers (except for you, Valesse, that's sheer self-preservation, and I really do think you're innocent) would take a look, it will be noticed that I advocated leaving it to the seer to decide, and leaving the matter alone.

And my posts are short, dear fellow lynch-candidate, because the phone won't stop ringing. Any desperation you feel from my posts is probably the effect of a deep rooted desire to take a hammer to the telephone.

[Anguirel]

The discussion of mass-revelation is now galling to my ears. Nogrod, must you rub in that you were insufferably right?

Retrospectively examining Day 1, I note that my supposition that there was one Ka-voting wolf and one lone wolf was apparently incorrect.

The choices are-

Either two Ka-voting wolves, Enca and Jenny

Or one on each main bandwagon, Enca for Ka and Valesse for Nogrod

I'm just about to inspect exactly how instrumental Valesse was in the case against Nogrod.

As for this snippet I identified earlier...

Originally Posted by JennyHallu

Apparently, Sleepy will set up the wolves in obvious ways. While his hint about Ka required some insider information, it didn't require much.

...at the time I semi-agreed with it, saying it would be bad luck on the predators if more were set up. Interestingly, I was accused of fraternising with the enemy for this statement by none other than Enca.

Hurrying to her comrade's aid? Or accusing both Jenny and I?

[JennyHallu]

Or Gil could be a wolf, Ang, in which case your lone wolf theory would still be correct.

[Valesse]

Originally Posted by Anguirel

I'm just about to inspect exactly how instrumental Valesse was in the case against Nogrod.

It is rather funny how fast I went from voting for Nogrod's lynch to backing his ideas, isn't it? I was about to comment about it myself last night (IRL..in game it would have been 'this morning'), but it would have been quite a small comment and so offset from the rest of what I had said that it got editted out. I started the case against Nogrod, and kept it kicking and screaming until Holby's death. I knew that if the seers, who would have obviously dreamed for the subject of the second bandwagon felt I was wrong, then I was definitely wrong.

As I said Days ago, I'll take a the seers' word against my hunch anyDay.

As for Jenny's comment: My only notion that Gil-Galad might be the wolf is if, for some reason, no one was killed over Night. Since that didn't happen the only likelyhood left would be a very patient player silently sliding through the Day time. I'm more apt to trust him to be a sleepy villager than anything else, however.

[Thinlómien]

This is just a hunch, but in my opinion the remaining wolf is Gil or Valesse.

I did an analysis on Jenny yesterday, but didn't find anything wolfish in her. She might, of course, be a clever wolf.

[JennyHallu]

I'm not sure exactly how to take that. Thank you for the support...but I hope you don't mean that I'm not a clever villager.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by JennyHallu

I'm not sure exactly how to take that. Thank you for the support...but I hope you don't mean that I'm not a clever villager.

You are a medicore-brained villager or a clever wolf.

[JennyHallu]

Mediocre...what a terrible salvation...

I like to think of myself as clever. Oh well, probably good for me to have my vanity knocked down a peg or two every so often...

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Anguirel

The discussion of mass-revelation is now galling to my ears. Nogrod, must you rub in that you were insufferably right?

Well, after your flaming rhetorics that included all possible expressions for stupid and simple idiots & dopes not thinking like you, I couldn't resist the temptation to mention it one more time...

But in all earnest, I think, the attitude of our candidates towards your idea is worth noting.

Here's Jenny's day with the mass-reveal -tactics:

277
As for the Gifted-reveal, I'm not sure if that's the way to go or not. I'll wait until more have chimed in to see what's going on.

280
And as for the mass reveal, it seemed to me that we have only one wolf, but three gifteds, all hidden from that wolf. This is my second game, dear Ang-with-all-the-reincarnations. My immediate assumption was that keeping them hidden was a better plan. I am willing to admit being wrong, but a single person saying so, no matter the experience, does not, in my mind, an irrefutable argument make. I cannot defend myself against you if a disagreement makes me wolvish.

284
I'm beginning (after a half-hour's drive home from work, with nothing to do but listen to the radio and think) to understand the benefits of your revelation scheme.

292
Gah! I'm so confused. Are we revealing, or not? And where's Roa?

305
Ang, it sounds like you're right, that mass revelation is a good idea. However, if the seer hasn't dreamed about you, I could see you making him/her very very paranoid. At this point, it's the seer's choice whether or not to reveal, and I can't see anything anyone says making one whit of difference.

Read it as you will. One could read there the gradual realization of the wolf for "that's MY best plan" with afterthougts (not to be seen too enthusiastic about it) or then just a lost mind wondering, what really should be the best...

I'll look at Valesse's reactions in a minute...

[Nogrod]

Well. Here is Valesse thinking about this mass-revelation:

290
This "Great Reveal" seems a little too risky to me.

Nogrod pointed out the math (post #283) but with such stylish phrases as:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ang
If you consider the situation, it will become clear to you that only a desperate and cornered werewolf would shun its advantages.

I don't blame him for the foggy post ending. I can see the advantages to this plan, but frankly I believe we should not be so hasty as to give out our roles quite yet. Lets not just take an idea and run with it... after all I remember one wolf that tricked me into playing his little game which I survived, but only just.

That isn't to say I feel that our honorable Anguriel is a wolf for forging this, but that there is still a possiblity, and we have to remember that we're offering our trust in what may just be a devious plan. Perhaps Ang did not see the math when he thought this up, but the wolf definitely has now. Its a matter of odds, and those might still be far too wide.

If it is the village's want to go through with it, and they have faith in it, I'll do my part, but as for now until I am reassured, it just doesn't seem fool-proof yet.

So a beautiful defence by a clever wolf or a reasoned "let's not hurry" from a dutiful villager brave enough to counter Ang's very aggressive rhetorics? Or was the rhetorics so strong that it would take a wolf to stand against it?

And a remainder: these both collections are from the time before Roa revealed herself! I've not considered the one's following the revelation, because everything after that is highly suspicious as an evidence...

[Anguirel]

Had Roa not been lucky and skilful with her dreaming, though, (which a wolf was not to know) mass-revelation would not have been a wolf's best plan...

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Anguirel

Had Roa not been lucky and skilful with her dreaming, though, (which a wolf was not to know) mass-revelation would not have been a wolf's best plan...

Well just this question was the one that took my mind over all the spare time I had today - which wasn't much.

I think seer-revelation was up to the seer, according to how well the dreams had gone. But with a poor result on the part of the seer, it would be better not to reveal our other gifteds. It should have to be seen, as the time of the vote would approach...

But anyhow. What I find disturbing right now, is the real possibility of Gil being the wolf - and playing a very lousy game indeed! I think both Valesse and Jenny could be granted the benefit of doubt - or accused as clever wolves... on the basis of these thoughts.

But Gil has posted twice today, once some seeming substance (289), another time kind of nonsense (320). And he still haven't clarified his Jenny vote, even though he promised it, as an excuse to bear with him! I find that action truly suspicious - and unfair on any standards...

X-postin with Valesse onwards

[Valesse]

Okay, well I am almost out of time before class starts, so unless I act now- which for some reason feels very early- I can't post my vote. It seems like the general public wants to double lynch either Jenny or myself with Gil, so I'll be productive in my absence. I hope Jenny follows in my example and votes as I have done.

++ Gil-Galad