Survivor: The Second Age

[Mithalwen]

For I find myself in agreement with the Saucepan Man, a rare occurence which happens only when obscure planets are in alignment. HE may have silver hair and pointy ears but I hate sailors (yotties not RN) and beards with a passion so:

++Cirdan

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

For I find myself in agreement with the Saucepan Man, a rare occurence which happens only when obscure planets are in alignment.

Zounds! If you're not careful, you'll end up flying the St George Cross from your car this summer.

[Mithalwen]

..not even for Coronation day or the Queen's official Birthday ...... certainly not for a bunch of men kicking an inflated pig's bladder around a field... - an exploding pig's bladder maybe..but then that would be alternative comedy not sport.

[the phantom]

All right. So, what's happened so far today?

Lhuna made a sensible vote for the little known Oropher.

JennyHallu wisely added her Oropher vote, but more recently she changed her vote to Elrond because of a monkey which did not actually exist. I'm not too impressed with Jenny right now.

Lalaith came forward and made a good argument for Amandil, and Anguirel considered her argument and voted with her. A pat on the back for the both of them for making a good pick.

Eomer continued voting for Erendis. Erendis certainly needs to be ousted at some point, but for some reason I, nor anyone else, seems to be interested in doing it now.

Then The Saucepan Man stepped in and claimed that he wan't anti-elf, and then proceeded to vote for an elf. Seven of his ten votes this game have been for elves, and the three that weren't for elves were for Numenorian Kings with elf-blood running through their veins. Sure... SPM isn't anti-elf.

That being said, SP's choice of Cirdan isn't a terribly bad selection, and I don't blame Mithalwen for siding with him.

Tuor comes along and votes for Celebrimbor, in an effort to stop the whole Ring thing. Well, I hate to break it to you, but the Rings will still happen so long as there are other elven-smiths in Hollin as well as Sauron. If we kill Celebrimbor, the three powerful elven rings won't get made, and thus Lothlorien and Rivendell will be diminished. And also, don't forget that Gandalf took one of the rings, a ring to help support him in his weariness and help him kindle people's hearts, and without that ring he probably would not have been successful. So, if you want Sauron guaranteed a Third Age victory, go right on ahead and get rid of Celebrimbor.

Next, we have Dancing Spawn come along and cast her vote for Elrond, proving that she is much prettier than she is intelligent. Her reasoning is that Elrond wasn't a success in a previous season of Survivor. What kind of non-reason is that? And then she gives another reason- that anyone could have founded Rivendell with the power of Vilya. There, she is showing her stupidity. Elrond did not have Vilya when he founded Rivendell. At that time, Vilya was still with Gil-galad.

[JennyHallu]

Agh! The Phantom isn't impressed with me! What shall I do?

What shall I do? I shall go straight back to voting for people on the basis of their names.

++the phantom

We're all dead, what makes him THE phantom? Isn't he just A phantom?

And...

--Elrond, ++Orophir, because 'e's 'orrible. Sorry, Ang, I will not be able to take the anti-monkey platform today, as A phantom has pointed out that monkeys don't exist.

[The Saucepan Man]

Hello TP (or is it AP), how nice to see you here. Charming as ever, I see.

Originally Posted by the phantom

Seven of his ten votes this game have been for elves, and the three that weren't for elves were for Numenorian Kings with elf-blood running through their veins.

Hmm, I wonder how that could be. Perhaps because a third of the original contestants were Elves and most of the rest were Numenorean Kings ...

[the phantom]

what makes him THE phantom? Isn't he just A phantom?

If you haven't noticed, I am intelligent and have a good sense of humor. You see, I am the model of a phantom, the phantom by which all other phantoms are judged. Sort of like all basketball stars are compared to the great Michael Jordan.

By changing your vote to Oropher, Jenny, you have increased your phantomicity. Keep up the good work.

Originally Posted by Sauce

Charming as ever, I see.

Yes, yes, I'm always so kind and subtle when arguing, aren't I?

You might find me more agreeable if all the participants on this thread were more logical.

Perhaps because a third of the original contestants were Elves

So, because 33% were elves, you voted for them 70% of the time?

and most of the rest were Numenorean Kings

And, because most of the rest were Numenorean Kings, you voted for them every time you weren't voting for an elf?

I'm sorry, Sauce, but I won't be fully convinced that you aren't anti-elf until I see you vote for one of the Other Speakers, or a man without elf blood.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Next, we have Dancing Spawn come along and cast her vote for Elrond, proving that she is much prettier than she is intelligent. Her reasoning is that Elrond wasn't a success in a previous season of Survivor. What kind of non-reason is that? And then she gives another reason- that anyone could have founded Rivendell with the power of Vilya. There, she is showing her stupidity. Elrond did not have Vilya when he founded Rivendell. At that time, Vilya was still with Gil-galad.

Really now? You just know how to compliment a girl, don't you?

Interesting that you should pick me to accuse of having insufficient reasons to vote for Elrond when just yesterday there was a bunch of people throwing their votes around because of the word 'camel'. I don't remember you expressing your disapproval to see people voting Khamûl based on that, and yet today you say that you are disappointed with JennyHallu. Her vote for Elrond was just as good as any of those that were cast for Khamûl.

However, I shall forgive you speaking rashly because for some reason you seem to be attached to Elrond and your feelings are clearly slowing your thoughts. If I may quote the Encyclopedia of Arda:

It [Vilya] was originally held by Gil-galad, but he passed it to Elrond at the time of the founding of Rivendell.

As to the 'non-reason', I said that Elrond wasn't great in the last shows, and then I took a look at his doings in the 2nd Age. My conclusion was: nothing special this time either. When you add that to the list, I don't see why to keep him around.

[JennyHallu]

Ineresting that you should pick me to accuse of having insufficient reasons to vote for Elrond when just yesterday there was a bunch of people throwing their votes around because of the word 'camel'. I don't remember you expressing your disapproval to see people voting Khamûl based on that, and yet today you say that you are disappointed with JennyHallu. Her vote for Elrond was just as good as any of those that were cast for Khamûl.

Why yes it was...if you look back, you will find that I started that particular bandwaggon...I am quite inordinately proud of it. First bandwaggon I ever started that actually managed to accumulate passengers.

No one who lives in a desert should 'ave a name that looks like "camel". Delightful, but far too obvious.

I'm only voting for Orophir because his name makes me start dropping H's right and left. So there, One of Many Equally Renowned Phantoms!

EDIT: And can I send my non-existant council-monkey to sit on your back?

[Anguirel]

Jenny, I don't want to be proprietorial, but actually I started the Camel-Khamul campaign the day before...

Great minds thinking alike?

Oh and it's my monkey, it exists, it's canon and it's called Galdor of the Havens...

[JennyHallu]

Drat. You're right. And I've always thought great minds thought differently (thus the potential for greatness).

And the monkey thing...

You have a pet werewolf (Hi!). So why can't I have the Elven-Counsel-Monkey?

And I meant to ask you...can you make paavo come clean my room?



Sorry...it's Friday...this is what passes for intellectualism for me, on Fridays.

[Anguirel]

Because both the pet werewolf (hi there!) and Galdor the Elf-Monkey are about to play a crucial role in helping with the Hunt for Amanda...

[the phantom]

Really now? You just know how to compliment a girl, don't you?

I try.

when just yesterday there was a bunch of people throwing their votes around because of the word 'camel'

You'll notice I never used that reasoning myself. I thought it was senseless, but seeing as they were voting a way that didn't bother me I didn't see the need to say anything. Got it?

And, wow, you actually looked up Vilya in the Encyclopedia of Arda? I honestly didn't think you had thought this thing through that much. I suppose I should give you some credit for that, though your information is wrong. According to the appendix in LOTR, Gil-galad "before he died gave his ring to Elrond". But Rivendell was founded in 1697, nearly 1,800 years before Gil-galad's death.

Also, Rivendell was founded only four years after the three Elven Rings were hidden, and we know Vilya was originally given to Gil-galad.

Not to mention the fact that Rivendell was founded while SAURON HAD HIS RING! During that time, the elves DIDN'T USE THEIR RINGS. So even if Elrond somehow had Vilya in his possesion during that time, he didn't use it.

So, no- Elrond did not use Vilya to found Rivendell, no matter what your precious encyclopedia may say.

I think you should be willing to change your vote just out of respect for the facts I've brought up. And if not for that reason, you should change your vote because it pains me to see someone so beautiful make such an ugly decision.

*hopes flattery will work*