Survivor: The Second Age

[the phantom]

Completely wrong, Jenny. Elrond did not think of himself as "The Elf". In the books, his lack of self-praise and cockiness compared to other Lords and his readiness to admit when something was beyond his power is part of what makes him so unique.

[mormegil]

But the one point I want to quickly make is that we are talking about the Second Age Elrond here. The same one who was a follower and obeyed when told to retreat. Elrond grew in wisdom and lore but in the Second Age he wasn't as great. He was more of a vassal then a true leader.

[Eonwe]

Morm, who would you have leading this? Gil-galad is not present, or has been voted off already, by a vile lynch-mob imflambed by rabble-rousers. Same for Elendil and Isildur. It seems as Elrond is the only one left...

[The Only Real Estel]

I'm going to go off in a different direction here and vote ++ Fangorn (Treebeard)

I mean, come on he’s a complete disgrace – he can’t even remember what his woman looks like!!!

[Kuruharan]

Announcer: And we’re back to Second Age Survivor brought to you by Stompa Exterminators. Whenever your house, flet, hole, or many pillared hall of stone is infested with pesky varmints, Remember Stompa Exterminators!! “We’ll stamp out the problem!!” I’m joined here in the booth by my good friend Bob.

Color Commentator: Hello.

Announcer: Bob, what do you make of the continuing action?

Color Commentator: I…ahhh…what lovely music…I wonder where it is coming from…

Announcer: I believe it is coming from that fellow over there. His queer long coat from heel to head is half of yellow and half of red. He himself is tall and thin, with sharp blue eyes, each like a pin. He has light loose hair, yet swarthy skin. Hmm…most strange. I wonder where that came from?! Anyway, he seems to be playing upon some sort of strange pipe. All the rats and mindless children seem to be following him wherever he…Bob? Bob?

Color Commentator: I must follow the music…

Announcer: Bob! Get off the field! It is not safe down there!!

Color Commentator: …the muuusaakk…

Announcer: Great! Now we have to decide if Bob is a rat or a mindless child. Unfortunately, I now have no color commentator to do my thinking for me. Hmmm…it is a bit of a catchy tune…such…lovely…muuuusaakkk….

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by a phantom

Yes, yes, I'm always so kind and subtle when arguing, aren't I?

Ah yes, I had rather forgotten that irony is sometimes unappreciated across the Atlantic.

Originally Posted by a phantom

So, because 33% were elves, you voted for them 70% of the time?

And, because most of the rest were Numenorean Kings, you voted for them every time you weren't voting for an elf?

I'm sorry, Sauce, but I won't be fully convinced that you aren't anti-elf until I see you vote for one of the Other Speakers, or a man without elf blood.

Predictable as ever, too, I see.

You just don't get this show, do you?

Had I and other like-minded people not voted in the way that we have, I calculate that Elves and Numenorean Kings would now comprise over two-thirds of the remaining contestants and be well on their way to comprising 100%. Which would be rather dull.

I appreciate that this is how you would like to see it but, and you might want to sit down here because this will come us a bit of a shock, not everyone shares your opinion and neither should they.

The point is that the Elves and Numenorean Kings, as a group, started out with an unfair numerical advantage. I have simply been seeking to redress that imbalance.

But you are right. I should not always vote for Elves and Numenorean Kings. So I will vote for a Half-Elf instead.

- - CIRDAN
+ + ELROND



It was the "tra-la-la-lallies" what done it. And, in the Second Age, he was a mere flunky. Not a worthy winner at all.

[Anguirel]

I declare Amandil the save-Elrond vote-suggested and endorsed by the only unprejudiced and trustworthy member of the Alliance, Lalaith...

Seriously, people are about to prefer some has-been Numenorean Valar-licker to the must subtle of the Wise, who harboured a refuge of joyful song and scholarship in hard times.

Defend Tra-la-lally's place in Canon.

Vote Amandil-an act which will follow the hypocrite Saucey's stated intention to balance the tribes, by lessening the over-mighty Elendili.

[JennyHallu]

Since I am your pet werewolf...ok

--Elrond

++Amandil

(wait a second, I thought it was following you that had me voting for Elrond. Wasn't that your monkey?)

[Anguirel]

I was defending Cirdan...not attacking Elrond...

phantom, are you ready for another profitable partnership? (Notice my cunning diplomatic non-use of any article, definite or indefinite...)

[the phantom]

in the Second Age, he was a mere flunky. Not a worthy winner at all.

Being second in command to a King instead of King does not make someone unworthy in any way. They are still the same person.

If we use your logic, we should vote off all non-kings, yet I doubt that is truly what you want to see, Mister Pan-Man.

It was the "tra-la-la-lallies" what done it.

Wait a minute. Your previous quote claimed that what happened during the Second Age was what was important, and yet here you try to use as evidence something that happened in the Third Age.

You can't have it both ways. Only one of those rather poor arguments can be used. One disqualifies the other.

[Celuien]

Originally Posted by mormegil

But the one point I want to quickly make is that we are talking about the Second Age Elrond here. The same one who was a follower and obeyed when told to retreat. Elrond grew in wisdom and lore but in the Second Age he wasn't as great. He was more of a vassal then a true leader.

Yes, but with the benefit of our position on the space-time continuum, we can see his potential for the Third Age. Where would the world be if we voted out the Einsteins, Beethovens and other giants before their greatness came to fruition? Nowhere.

I'm actually quite tempted to vote with The Wolfman Sauce. There are valid points to be made about Cirdan's uselessness. But such an earth-shattering event might cause the show to implode.

And so

++ERENDIS

Eomer is correct. Her selfishness renders her an unworthy candidate.

EDIT: I see that Sauce has changed his vote to Elrond. No chance of agreeing there. The Universe is safe.