Survivor: The Second Age

[JennyHallu]

Not poor li'l old Narvi's fault Gandalf was not at his best...it was SAURON'S!

But I always have sympathy for the guys you know are going to lose, so...

++Amandil, for being dense.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by me

Yes, anyone can make a refuge, but not everyone can put up a refuge that can stand up for a considerable time against Mordor.

Originally Posted by Spawn

One word: Vilya.

So, in other words you are saying that Elrond only has great power because of Vilya?

While it's true that the elven rings augment power, they cannot turn a slightly better than average elf into an amazingly powerful elf. It takes someone who is great already to make good use of an elven ring.

It's sort of like with the One Ring. The more powerful the bearer, the more that can be done with the Ring. Frodo had no chance of rising up and overthrowing Sauron with the One Ring- it was beyond his power. But greater individuals might've been able to use the Ring to militarily conquer Sauron's armies.

As a matter of fact, Tolkien specifically says in letter 246 that Elrond would've been especially capable of overthrowing Sauron with the One Ring- more capable than Galadriel, Cirdan, and Gil-galad. It is obvious from that that Elrond had a great amount of personal power aside from any ring.

Originally Posted by Elu Ancalime

Why are we voting for compassionate, warm elves?

If you don't want compassionate, warm elves to be voted for, you certainly need to change your vote away from Elrond. Read the story of Aragorn and Arwen in the back of LOTR and you will see how kind Elrond is. I mean, compare his reaction to the reaction of Thingol to Beren.

Tolkien even calls Elrond "kind as summer" in The Hobbit.

So, Elu Ancalime, if you keep your vote for Elrond you are an absolutely huge hypocrite.

If any of you honestly think that Elrond should be out before Oropher, your brain is wired incorrectly. There's a reason a lot of people don't know the name Oropher where as everyone knows Elrond. Oropher isn't worthy of recognition, and thus is unworthy of staying in this game.

+ + Oropher

[lord of dor-lomin]

I received a message from the phantom ordering me to vote for Oropher, and after viewing the circumstances, I believe I shall.

+ + Oropher

I haven't seen any decent defensible textual reason why Elrond should leave right now, particularly before Oropher, who most of you probably had to look up to find out about.

I agree with those before me that there is a reason Oropher is not well known- he didn't do anything worthy of keeping him alive in this game.

PS phantom I'm going to try and get my cousin on here to help you, if she even remembers how to log in that is

[Firefoot]

++Oropher

He's pretty much useless, and Elrond deserves to stick around to the end more than he does. I don't know that Elrond should win, but Oropher definitely should not.