Survivor: The Second Age

[Anguirel]

Elrond was not Turgon, because Rivendell was not Gondolin. Rivendell was a happy! accepting! nice! place. It had no element of Elven scariness and hauteur, while retaining Elven culture and skill.

Without Rivendell:

All the survivors from Eregion would have been massacred
Sauron would have conquered Eriador
The line of Arnor could not have survived
And the sweet little Hobbits would be completely doomed...

That apart: I support hippy communes. What is wrong with peace, love and brotherhood?

And so I shall vote once again against the supreme exemplar of fascistic, militaristic, non-hung loose unchilledness.

++SAURON

Just like Elrond, he's been in every Survivor so far; but he won't admit it, hiding beneath aliases like "Gorthaur" or "The Necromancer". He's even come second once, but he's still not satisfied. He thinks he has a "right" to win; he needs to be disillusioned, and soon.

I'm talking to an electorate that has, despite some blips, generally supported the downtrodden and relatively obscure. Anarion, Ohtar and Amandil have been protected before their illustrious relatives.

Can such an electorate allow Sauron-the most predictable, tedious, megalomaniac candidate of them all-to progress?

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Anguirel

Rivendell was a happy! accepting! nice! place. It had no element of Elven scariness and hauteur, while retaining Elven culture and skill.

Originally Posted by Anguirel

That apart: I support hippy communes. What is wrong with peace, love and brotherhood?

All very well and good, but entirely inappropriate in such troubled times.

Originally Posted by Anguirel

All the survivors from Eregion would have been massacred

Better to die nobly and with honour on the field of battle than shamefully skulk away in some arty-farty commune. Surely, Ang, you recognise that neither Feanor nor his sons would have approved.

Sauron would have conquered Eriador
The line of Arnor could not have survived
And the sweet little Hobbits would be completely doomed...

Pure speculation. And the well-being of Hobbits is, for the purposes of this contest, irrelevant.

Originally Posted by Anguirel

Just like Elrond, he's been in every Survivor so far; but he won't admit it, hiding beneath aliases like "Gorthaur" or "The Necromancer". He's even come second once, but he's still not satisfied. He thinks he has a "right" to win; he needs to be disillusioned, and soon.

I do not disagree. I expect Sauron's time to come. But given the current balance between the tribes, I do not believe that time is now.

[Celuien]

No! Not Elrond again!

There is another Elf far more worthy of eviction. I speak of the responsibility shirking Cirdan.

While Elrond was in Rivendell, defending a stronghold against Sauron and Celeborn/Galadriel did the same in Lorien, what was Cirdan doing? Nothing. Sitting at the Havens building ships and just waiting to leave for Elvenhome. Further proof of his complete disinterest in aiding the Free Folk of Middle-earth is demonstrated in his giving his ring away to Gandalf. Obviously he was looking for someone else to take over the job he was entrusted with when given his ring. Thus, Elrond deserves to stay. Cirdan does not.

++CIRDAN

PS I'm willing to vote for Sauron But not yet... I'll change my vote if necessary to save Elrond.

[Tuor of Gondolin]

+ + Tar-Miriel

Suffice it to say she was no Boudica (Boadicea). Numenorean
feminists must have been very disappointed in her. There
could have been a cool civil war, with perhaps elvsees with
bright, shining swords helping out the king's (queen's)
men/fighters/whatever.

It's difficult to imagine Eowyn, Galadriel, Lobelia, etc.
reacting in such a supine manner. (Picture of Lobelia going
after Ar-Pharazon with her umbrella).

[arcticstorm]

While his skills may be interesting, such as reading moon letters and calling large counsels to argue the fate of the entire free world, he really doesn't do much to help his tribe, therefore for staying at home and sending others to their doom while he remains in his comortable homely house reading hidden letters on maps ++Elrond.

[Firefoot]

++Elrond

For such a major character, he really is not as complex as he could be. Everything just sort of happens to him; the only place where he seems to actually take real iniative in something is in founding Rivendell. He's something of a dud among his family. Let's compare: Earendil - duh... Elwing - same category. Shouldn't a son of these parents be destined for absolute greatness? Children: Arwen - may not do much, but page for page she is a heck of a lot more interesting and developed that Elrond. Elladan and Elrohir - don't have much of a chance to do much, but do what they can - avenge Celebrian's death (what does Elrond do? sit around and mourn), ride to war (again, what does Elrond do? sit around). And, as has already been said, he sure doesn't do much in the Last Alliance. The one time he had a real opportunity to make a difference was when Isildur takes the Ring - but Elrond doesn't do a very good job of persuading him otherwise.

Elrond seems to be a prime example of wasted potential.

Edit: hm, I never saw this whole last page...

[Lalaith]

I choose
++ELROND

Why?
Sure, he's a nice guy. I throughly approve of the multi-cultural refuge, it's a great idea, but I'm sure someone else can take over the room bookings and the ring and so on if he goes.
My reasons:
1. A strategic vote (which I hope is admissable grounds) to save Fimbrethil, whose marital plight deserves some sympathy. I'm not saying Fangorn doesn't have some excellent points, but as a spouse he would drive you bonkers. And if she goes, we will never, never know what really did happen to the Entwives.

2. Because it would be so nice for brother Elros to outlast Elrond in Survivor, as quite the reverse happened in Real Middle Earth...

[Boromir88]

What is all the gripe about here? As has been reminded several times I created this game, and others have followed with versions from other Tolkien works of their own. This is the Mirth forum, and I started this game exactly for that. In fact, Myself and the other survivor starters I think we are still gathering and planning for a Survivor All-star, which will be the last 15 or so contestants from each game.

Anway, here's a link to the original game, however this is Formendacil's game and I completely respect that he will do what's best. I didn't discount votes, I did change to non-retractable because it got so confusing to tally up the votes (luckily Glirdan helped me out). But this is a different game and I understand why it is needed to give explanations as to why you vote someone off, I think that it fits in more closely with the show on TV. Everyone has a reason to vote the way they do and if it's required to say why, then so be it. I will say Form, if you are going to do that, I think it would be best to lay out (which it seems you have done) what you are looking for. Also, if you don't count a vote inform that person (through PM or by whatever means) on why, so they don't continue to make the same mistake. Just some friendly suggestions.

Sorry I haven't been participating as much in these last one's it's been kind of difficult, I just wanted to bring up the original thread and reinforce what's been said about this being intended for fun and enjoyment. From what I have seen and participated it seems like it's been going that way. I wish their were alliances in my game, each side pushing for their own candidate. Anyway, that's all I wanted to say, perhaps I'll pop in and vote again.

[Boromir88]

Oh one more thing....

Celuien in defense of Cirdan who had the forsight to see Gandalf as the only istari to stay true to his task is why he entrusted Gandalf with the Ring. The istari were sent to ME to help the Free peoples combat Sauron, Cirdan had the vision to see this and new his ring to light up people's hearts would come of much use to Gandalf. Without Cirdan and his ring would Gandalf be able to spark up the hearts of people? I don't think so.

Though I do agree that Elrond should stay as far as right now, I ask you to reconsider your Cirdan vote.

Elros is the guy everyone should be going after. He shied away from his Elven-heritage and formed the cursed kingdom of Numenor. He chose mortality because he couldn't face/handle living forever like his brother and his other kindred. He's the coward, not Cirdan.

[The Saucepan Man]

Hey, let's leave the Numenoreans alone, shall we? They have suffered enough so far and their tribe is already heavily depleted. The Second Age was, in many ways, the Age of Numenor, so it would seem only fair that at least one fo them should make the final.

Originally Posted by Celuien

Further proof of his complete disinterest in aiding the Free Folk of Middle-earth is demonstrated in his giving his ring away to Gandalf. Obviously he was looking for someone else to take over the job he was entrusted with when given his ring.

While I mainly agree with your analysis of Cirdan, who is little better than Elrond in his craven desire not to get involved, at least Cirdan did give his Ring to someone who was prepared to use it for the greater good. Unlike Elrond, who simply used it selfishly to preserve his own little idyll.