Survivor: The Second Age

[Anguirel]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Arwen, though beautiful, just a snobby little princess that is only the symbol of authority. She's like the Queen of England, rich, a nice title, but absolute no authority at all.

I'm sure you don't mean to cast aspersions, but I'm fond of my sovereign and am rather riled by this. Certainly, I'd rather she had authority than the ludicrous men elected by the rabble...anyway, let's keep her out of it.

Incidentally, Arwen doesn't have a nice title. She most certainly isn't a princess.

One of the most interesting things about Elrond is that he isn't King of Rivendell, or even often Lord. He usually sticks to Master...a title on about Sam's level. This shows a good dose of humility and plenty of wisdom, which Cirdan, also titleless, displays as well.

Shall we contrast that with Sauron the Great, Lord of Tol-in-Gaurhoth, the Terrible One, The Eye, true King of Middle-earth, etc etc? By rewarding Sauron and punishing Elrond you are voting for insupportably large egos.

If we must chase the sterile grail of tribal equality, though, I'm willing to compromise and lessen the Other Speakers. They're rather dark horses...well, trees...wouldn't want any of them to win by stealth...

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Anguirel

Certainly, I'd rather she had authority than the ludicrous men elected by the rabble...anyway, let's keep her out of it.

That's the one thing that you have said so far that makes any sense, Ang.

By rewarding Sauron and punishing Elrond you are voting for insupportably large egos.

Actually the eviction of Elrond will strike a blow against insupportedly (sic) large egos, as it will rile the phantom.

[Boromir88]

I'm sure you don't mean to cast aspersions, but I'm fond of my sovereign and am rather riled by this. Certainly, I'd rather she had authority than the ludicrous men elected by the rabble...anyway, let's keep her out of it.

Of course I met nothing serious. Royalty had it's power back in the day, but now you have to admit the Royal line is basically a figure head that has real little power. Anway, how it connected to Arwen is she is the "Estel" or hope of her people, basically a figurehead with little power. The only way she tastes a bit of authority is when she marries the King of Gondor.

Which I must say is another strike against Elrond. What's the junk about him only letting Arwen marry the King of Gondor? What the King of Rohan or say a Lord of a distant land isn't good enough for him? What's this him setting restrictions on who his daughter can and can't marry, that's Shakesperean era .

You have a point. I will honour a well-reasoned vote for Elrond with an equally well-reasoned vote for Elros (provided that I can think of anything he actually did) once Elrond has departed.

Good enough for me. I have now been thorougly convinced:

++Elrond

[Anguirel]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Of course I met nothing serious. Royalty had it's power back in the day, but now you have to admit the Royal line is basically a figure head that has real little power.

Oh, I can admit that. But I'm not admitting that it shouldn't have...

Since you all seem to be Dark Lord cuddlers:

--SAURON, ++FIMBRETHIL

The true example here of an emasculating wife...heartlessly abandoning her faithful spouse, leaving him in spasms of grief which he's still pouring into song an Age later. What irresponsibility she shows to te continuation of her kind! And what a bad example she sets to the other Entwives!

She's far worse than Tar-Aldarion, but essentially guilty of the same sin...only she made it permanent.

Send her off!

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Anguirel

Send her off!

But think of the ratings, my dear fellow. There is nothing like the reuniting of a formerly estranged couple to bring viewers flocking in their droves. And, given theit non-hasty approch to resolving their differences, this is one which could run and run. Audiences are hanging on their every, carefully and lengthily delivered, word.