Survivor: The Second Age

[Anguirel]

Originally Posted by Diamond18

It distresses me to see a campaign mounting against not one but two females in the same day -- when already we have so few.

Now, now, I'm all in favour of gender equality, but to enforce patronising positive discrimination is to practically clamour for your chains. True feminists should eject unworthy examples like the donna mobile who was Fimbrethil.

As for the Manwives point-a simple matter of etymology. "Wife" means, at root, "woman". It is only culture that has given it its sense of "man's woman". There could very well have been single Ent-wives.

[The Saucepan Man]

I cannot fault much of your reasoning, phantom. It is a fair and accurate description of Elrond, based upon the material handed down to us. But it must be bore in mind that such material was produced by those with a vested interest in painting him in a good light: Bilbo, who was provided with free board and lodging at Rivendell in return for a favourable review, and Frodo, who bought his passage to the Undying Lands from Elrond's daughter in return for the same.

And, in any event, fair and accurate, like Elrond, is dull, particularly in a contest such as this. Much more interesting and satisfying to be - ah - inventive with the given facts.

So, down with Elrond, the lazy, cowardly, cissy, hippy, neglectful parent.

And there is one point on which I must take issue with you:

Originally Posted by the phantom

Also, remember how accepting Elrond was. Gimli had trouble getting into Lothlorien- dwarves didn't ever go there. In Elrond's house, however, Elves and Men and Dwarves and Hobbits were all welcome. A vote against Elrond is a vote for racism.

Quite apart from the ridiculous last sentence, which does your case no favours, it should be remembered that the location of Imladris was a well-kept secret. Which means that the only people welcome at Elrond's Last Hippy House were those who he and his "wise" friends chose to invite (unless, like Boromir, they spent an unfeasibly long time looking for it). In other words, it was an exclusive place, open only to the rich and famous. Playboy princes, such as Legolas and miserly but wealthy old Dwarves and their kin. Notice how those who were not quite so high on the social scale, namely Thorin and company, were mercilessly teased by the Tra-la-la-lally'ers lining the driveway. And I suspect that they were only admitted, on sufferance, because, subject to the elimination of a certain Dragon, their financial prospects were favourable.

Rivendell, the Country Club of Middle-earth.

Originally Posted by Anguirel

There could very well have been single Ent-wives.

Ah, but why are Fimbrethil and her ilk not the Ents and Fangorn and co the Ent-husbands?

[the phantom]

I cannot fault much of your reasoning, phantom. It is a fair and accurate description of Elrond, based upon the material handed down to us.

Well, then I've done my job. Now it's up to you guys to listen to me.

I doubt Elrond will be saved today, but I'll try anyway.

+ + Fimbrethil

What did she do besides ditch her husband and keep a garden? That's not much compared to Elrond. And Fimbrethil and her friends likely got whacked by Sauron, while Elrond on the other hand, he helped make the plans and aided the people who whacked Sauron. The choice between Elrond and Fimbrethil seems clear to me.

[littlemanpoet]

It has come to my attention that this infamous Fimbrethil had the nickname of "Wandlimb". This nickname, according to certain sources at my disposal, was apparently quite apt. She was in the business of selling her own limbs as magical! Now, Ents may be quite fascinating creatures, but this "magical" business is obviously spurious. So not only does she leave Treebeard high and dry, she also trades of her own person for profit and that with a falsehood. Most disgraceful.

++ Fimbrethil

[Diamond18]

Originally Posted by Paul the poet guy

It has come to my attention that this infamous Fimbrethil had the nickname of "Wandlimb". This nickname, according to certain sources at my disposal, was apparently quite apt. She was in the business of selling her own limbs as magical!

Tolkien said that? I don't remember that from LotR. Praytell which 'sources' do you speak of? It may be my memory has gone but so long as we're getting all stringent with the Tolkienism you might be more specific?

As for those who declaim ol' Fimby for leaving her husband -- why is this all her fault and not Treebeard's? Sure, he is pining for her now but who says he rightly appreciated her then? How long did it take for him to actually miss her? After all, the mass departure of the Entwives suggests something of a lack of caring on the Ents' parts. Fangorn, Fangorn, water-drinker, had a wife and couldn't keep her.... (Okay, I'll stop with the badly rewritten rhymes now. *shudder*) Anyway, since Tolkien leaves much to the imagination as far as the Entish domestic dispute goes, it's all a matter of viewpoint whether Fimbrethil et al's defection was a failure of the sexes to co-exist or the devilsh devices of those evil female types. Obviously, I choose to give them the benefit of the doubt and the sympathy of the fellow sex, and believe the Entwives had completely justifiable reasons for being disatisfied with their husbands. Or, at the very least, their husbands just didn't care enough at the time to actually go after them. Whether or not this stand is true feminism doesn't mean anything to me, as I've never cared much for such labels.

[lord of dor-lomin]

Hmm...who to pick, who to pick?

On one hand, a wise, powerful, kind, and humble elf lord.

On the other hand, a walking tree best known for choosing gardening over her lover.

Tough decision.

+ + Fimbrethil

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Fimbrethil is really too stupid to be allowed to stick around. As evidence, she chose an idiotic spot for her gardens- too close to Mordor. If she had any brain at all she'd have had the sense to move someplace safer once Sauron grew strong. I rather expect that she was purposefully putting herself in harm's way in order to lure Treebeard and the other ents out of their woods. If we get rid of Fimbrethil, it will allow Treebeard to give his full attention to winning the game.

++Fimbrethil

[TPotSS]

Wow! This looks like a pretty fun game. Lots of funny stuff from people.

The choice between Elrond and Fimbrethil seems pretty clear cut to me, though. Just look at the way they felt about their significant other.

Elrond- He did everything he could to heal his wife so she could stay with him in Middle Earth. Unfortunately for him, it didn't work out.

Fimbrethil- She just picked up and left her mate, and never came back.

Honestly, how cold is that? Then again, what do you expect from an overgrown stick?
++Fimbrethil