WWJ VI: Return to Midsomer Mawlin - Kill me again

[Firefoot]

Concerning Nogrod's math: I think it is a bit faulty, but I'm too lazy to go and figure out what it ought to be.

It's time for me to vote, and I am wholly undecided. Some thoughts:

B88 did contradict himself on the point of morm, as morm pointed out. He seems fairly eager to get some control in this game, but it seems like I remember that being fairly normal for him. Possibly a vote here, although I am reluctant at this early stage to vote out one of the most substantially-posting players.

Diamond went pretty far into a defense of herself because of the accusation based on her name. I'm not sure it means anything, but I have noticed that newcomer wolves are sometimes overly defensive. I'm not sure this applies here since she sounded fairly even-minded through all of it.

True to form, Gil-Galad has said virtually nothing.

I don't think that Nogrod merits lynching yet.

Shoot, I'm out of time. I highly doubt I'll be on again, and wish I didn't have to make this vote in haste:

++Gil-Galad

About as random as anything, I guess, and with nothing else to go on on the first day, the least helpful players can go first...

[Oddwen]

++SLEEPY RANGER

Because I don't really want to vote for Nogrod - and he's jumping in with a vote...though so did Fea. And he voted for Fea. Hmm.

[JennyHallu]

Hi guys!

Sleepy, don't shake that! You'll get everybody sticky!

++Sleepy Ranger, for shaking his soda.

OK...now to business.

--Sleepy Ranger

Nogrod, still stirring the pot, I see? In a previous incarnation I seem to remember you got much the same response to your first day's Lynch the Quiet Ones call...a general "Huh? Now? WHY?" from across the village. It makes you look guiltier than Lady MacBeth, scrubbing her hands.

But, as I have seen you do this before, and know the outcome of that particular village, I'm inclined to believe--for now--that you aren't a wolf. I'll be keeping an eye on you, definitely.


Gil-Galad...I really wish you would say something more substantial. I haven't decided if I'm going to vote for you today, but I'm certainly inclined to. I'll need a good reason why not.


As for the rest of you...honestly, how much can one be expected to tell in one day? None of you really look suspicious, but it's rather soon to tell, don't you think? I'll be keeping my eyes open, but I'm at work and my focus won't be complete.

++Gil-Galad
unless something happens to make me change my mind.

[Boromir88]

A bit of a contradiction. You compliment my deduction and later say I've posted nothing of substance. My friend verbosity does not equate to substance. Now my dear Boro do you care to explain.~mormegil

Ok, an honest mistake, I had forgotten about what you pointed out to Nogrod because your first couple posts were pretty much mumbo bull. But, I admit it was a contradiction, see I admit when I'm wrong, I like people who do.

So he's the voting so far (though of course there are retractables):

Nogrod: 2 (mormegil, Azaelia)
Feanor: 1 (sleepy)
Gil-galad: 1 (Firefoot)

His first three points can be seen as reasonable, but his fourth point is more of an attack on anyone who can't get on often. Despite his overeagerness to get the silent ones I'd hesitate voting for him (at this point at least). I feel this move on his part is too wreckless for a wolf. But still Nogrod has raised a few warning flags, yet, for me it is too early to make a desicion that can comdemn him.~Kitanna

That makes you look more innocent then guilty, so for today I won't be crying for you lynching.

Which means I'll probably be voting for one of these remaining people:

Kuruharan
mormegil
Feanor
Sleepy
Oddwen
Nogrod
Gil-galad

Kuruharan and mormegil I'm willing not to go after today. It very well could be that one of them is a wolf, but I'll let them go today, for their typical logical input.

Feanor is an interesting one, she's going to play the same whether she's a wolf or an innocent, which makes her dangerous (if she's a wolf). I made a mistake saying morm hasn't posted anything of worth, but it's no mistake saying Feanor hasn't posted anything accept talking about the voices she hears in her head.

Sleepy, not much to go on with him, and I have no particular reason that stands out why I should vote for him. Oddwen same way, has contributed and nothing that sticks out as a "Here's your wolf sign."

Nogrod, I still have the same feeling. As mormegil pointed out we were about 4 hrs into the day and he's already talking about people who haven't posted yet. He says he was just trying to get discussion, which I think is reasonable, but is it innocent trying to be helpful, or is he being the clever wolf poller?...trying to see where the village stands and make his plan with his buds?

Gil-galad, will stay the same from beginning to end. The wolves most likely will keep him around because he'll be an easy target if one of them ever get in trouble. Which means if we want him gone we have to lynch him, but even if he is the same Gil, as long as he stays around and casts his vote and helps in that way then I don't see a reason to lynch him. The thing with Gil that always gets me worried is he's like Fea, only worse. He'll stay the same whether wolf or innocent and you can never put a finger on him.

So my vote will probably be either for Nogrod, Feanor, or Gil-galad...unless there's drastic changes.

[JennyHallu]

Why do I always get forgotten when people make lists?

[Boromir88]

Crossposted with Jenny and Oddwen make that:

Nogrod: 2 (mormegil, Azaelia)
Gil-galad: 2 (Firefoot, Jenny)
Sleepy: 1 (Oddwen)
Feanor: 1 (Sleepy)

[Boromir88]

Why do I always get forgotten when people make lists?~Jenny

Those in my list are the ones that I wasn't sure yet on what to decide. You'll notice Azaelia, Firefoot, Diamond, and Kitanna are also missing because I feel like they're are innocent as far as right now and there's no reason to vote for them. Unless you there's a reason you want me to put you on the list of possible votees? I mean I can do that...if you want to.

[JennyHallu]

No it's ok...I just wondered. In a previous incarnation the person who turned out to be the seer did a long, player-by-player analysis of every member...Except for me...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Good morning! I know, it's still early after getting in late. I promise I'll have a post of substance up, if you can wait until I get back from a three hour class that starts in 20 minutes. I'd have done it last night but I was away from my computer without fail from about 7:00 until 2:00 AM, after which I rambled a bit and went to bed.

A brief description of my post is this: who suspects whom, who seems to be defending whom, who's voted for whom, and interesting points of information. Following will be a brief summary of my thoughts on the player.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Nogrod, I still have the same feeling. As mormegil pointed out we were about 4 hrs into the day and he's already talking about people who haven't posted yet. He says he was just trying to get discussion, which I think is reasonable, but is it innocent trying to be helpful, or is he being the clever wolf poller?...trying to see where the village stands and make his plan with his buds?

It seems very hard to communicate to one another. Or then some people are just pushing this total misunderstanding forwards in purpose. Or they don't read other peoples' mails. I'm not sure, which one is the nastiest option.

I have not wanted to lynch anyone by their not posting at 4 hours to the game! C'mon people! I have all the time said, that we must see it when the evening draws closer. I myself will probably be voting here among the last ones - as not to vote for someone too early, with no reasons behind the vote!

PS. Firefoot (and whoever it was that pointed it out earlier) is right about the maths in my earlier post, it doesn't go that way. My fault. 50% would make the ratio of villagers and wolves to 50-50. Stupid of me.

[Boromir88]

A brief description of my post is this: who suspects whom, who seems to be defending whom, who's voted for whom, and interesting points of information. Following will be a brief summary of my thoughts on the player.~Fea

You know I can't wait, what does the great Go Go inspector Peredhil have to say about us (me in particular).

I have not wanted to lynch anyone by their not posting at 4 hours to the game! C'mon people! I have all the time said, that we must see it when the evening draws closer. I myself will probably be voting here among the last ones - as not to vote for someone too early, with no reasons behind the vote!~Nogrod

A bit defensive? Now you are twisting around what I'm saying. I never said you wanted to lynch anyone. I said you were rather hasty saying we should go after the quiet ones and commented who they were, and it was a very short time into the Day. Your reason given seems logical, but I don't question the logic I question the intent. Were you trying to start up discussion to help and view people, or were you going around polling what the general consensus was of the village?

Now I must bid you all an adieu, I shall certainly be back, I wouldn't miss what the all wise Fea has to say.

[Kuruharan]

We have a nice selection of candidates that have garnered votes here.

Unfortunately, that is about the best that can be said on DAY ONE.

I wouldn't miss what the all wise Fea has to say.

Scary isn't it.

[Nogrod]

I'll be off to a school-meeting and hope to be back before the end of the day. If the end is at 7.45 GMT, then I will surely make it.

But if I'm wrong about it, then I will have to do something now.

And just as to give some new ideas to the table, I'll go for

++ Mormegil

And will surely retract it, if there is some better points made while I'm away (and especially if Gil doesn't turn out before the end).

But why?

1) His overhasty, ill-willed vote for me with no grounds whatsoever (disguised as a justified reaction, which it surely was not). Speaks of the evil, not of a constructive fellow-villager.

2) Accusing others of being blood-thirsty and acting as much worse himself (not only suggesting something to be considered, but accusing and also voting, by saying, not probably retracting).

3) Playing to the hands of the wolves: lynch vocal players trying to do something by the villagers during the day, kill the smart ones during the night.

4) His arrogant playingstyle that sets double standards. See his post #30. First he requires explanations from others, then he himself explains his viewpoints this argumentative and explanatory way:

Originally Posted by Firefoot
While I can see where many of you are coming from with your points about Nogrod, I'm not sure that it merits lynching him.

Oh yes it does!

and:

Originally Posted by Firefoot
I'm not sure a wolf would be that forward.

Yes they would.

5) Pure nausea. I wouldn't be that frustrated, if I would be voted out by some whimsical first day reasons like "he writes the word ''wolf' with a 'u' every fifth time" etc. That would be sad, but not frustrating. Trying purposefully to lynch someone who tries to help, is just nasty (and possibly stupid too).

See you later, before the vote ends.

PS. And thanks Feanor for the analysis to come!

PS2. Boro:

or is he being the clever wolf poller?...trying to see where the village stands and make his plan with his buds?

I think it's the task of both villagers and wolfs alike to poll the others to get a picture of the situation: even more urgent with the villagers to know, who to trust. So I can't see trying to arouse discussion as an argument to someone's wolfishness...

[JennyHallu]

Nogrod, you do not come across as trying to be helpful, you come across as bloodthirsty.

And when you explain your votes, you come across as VERY bloodthirsty. I would not go around calling anyone "Nasty", especially on such a rocky ground as you stand on.

For rudeness:

--Gil-Galad

++Nogrod

Until and unless I say otherwise, anyway. I'm not sure if you are wulvish ( ), Nogrod, or just use incredibly loaded rhetoric, but I'm afraid you seem more hindrance than help. Honestly, I would prefer to be voted for because someone genuinely felt I was a potential wolf, than because I occasionally forget what language I'm speaking. (Although, considering I only know smatterings of any language besides my native tongue, that's not likely.)

Feanor, I also await a thoughtful analysis with ill-disguised anticipation.

[Sleepy Ranger]

I don't really have much time so excuse my short post. More oft than not on Day 1 theres always someone who seems to be over-eager to lynch people and more oft than not that person gets band-waggoned on day one and more oft than not that person turns out to be innocent and more oft than not people manage to further their theories based on voting time.

At the moment I don't see any reason to withdraw my vote on Fea and I honestly had no real reason for voting for her but I plan to stick to Day 1, I have no idea what to do, excuse. Though there are already a couple of theories around and I do suspect Morm (not Nogrod much) for now I'll leave my vote on Fea since I doubt she'll end up being the one lynched and that suits me just fine.

[JennyHallu]

On second thought, I am not sure of where my vote should go.

Nogrod's playing style grates on my nerves. He is hasty and often illogical, and his vote justifications are often poorly disguised ad hominem attacks on various players. He complains of rhetoric, but his own can be bilious. But his playing style is always like that...I really have nothing on him to show whether or not he is a wolf, but my own irritation with his consistent style.

Gil-Galad's playing style also grates on my nerves. He is near-silent, and contributes nothing but nonsense to the discussion. His votes (when they come) are almost never backed up by anything concrete. But his playing style is always like that...I really have nothing on him to show whether or not he is a wolf, but my own irritation with his consistent style.

Sleepy's admittedly safe vote is odd, but reasonable. There is little to go on at this stage, and Sleepy seems to be honest about it. I see no reason to suspect it.

Fea's play toDay so far has been erratic. She was quick (and alone) in supporting Nogrod's Kill the Quiet campaign, but that may have been sarcasm. I'm poor at reading that. I look forward to seeing a more reasoned post from her later today.

Boro has been reasonable and logical from the beginning, with almost no character based play. I don't know whether to respect or suspect that. Funny how those two words are so similar.

Mormegil is in the same boat. We have so many varsity players in this game, however, that I'm at a loss as far as comparing their behavior today to any experience with them of my own in past lives.

Kuruharan is another veteran: he has, however, said little of note and not yet voted. Is Kuruharan typically a quiet player? Boromir's comment regarding Kuru's "logical input" would imply that he is not. His behavior today could easily be construed as suspicious, but may be simply an unwillingness to hastily throw suspicion where it has not been earned. (Perhaps I should learn from such an example.)

Firefoot has also seemed reasonable and logical, and apologized for the necessity of her early vote for Sleepy. I am inclined to think her innocent, but with so little to go on I am aware that there is no basis for this besides 'hunch', but that's the only basis for any suspicion as well.

No one else seems to be drawing my eye enough to merit special attention at this stage. Those whose input is purely character-driven toDay though will surely be attracting my interest tomorrow.

I will be interested in seeing the input of others as we draw closer to the end of the Day.

I have decided to leave my vote where it is, for now. I am not comfortable with it, Nogrod is probably innocent. But I have nothing better to go on, and wildly revenge-based accusations are not helpful. I am more impressed by quiet and thoughtful analysis, and more by the man who admits he doesn't know than the one who is sure he's found a wolf, first day.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

1) His overhasty, ill-willed vote for me with no grounds whatsoever (disguised as a justified reaction, which it surely was not). Speaks of the evil, not of a constructive fellow-villager.

I follow you not my dear fiend. "Speaks of the evil"??? I believe I do have grounds, as far as Day one goes anyway.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

2) Accusing others of being blood-thirsty and acting as much worse himself (not only suggesting something to be considered, but accusing and also voting, by saying, not probably retracting).

No I more accused YOU of being blood-thirsty, though I did not use that term. I found your call and persistent to get rid of the quiet ones a bit disconcerting especially at how early in the game we are. At time I have stepped forward early and outlined that I will be watching the quiet ones and if they don't actively participate I will begin wanting to lynch them but the first day it seems premature and a good tactic at getting us sidetracked and unfocused on the actual task at hand.

Originally Posted by Guess who

3) Playing to the hands of the wolves: lynch vocal players trying to do something by the villagers during the day, kill the smart ones during the night.

Do you not think me a wolf? Yet you vote for me. While I am not a wolf it seems that you believe that claim. If I am a hapless villager playing into the wolves hands why kill me? Seems an odd choice of words.

Originally Posted by *sigh*

4) His arrogant playingstyle that sets double standards. See his post #30. First he requires explanations from others, then he himself explains his viewpoints this argumentative and explanatory way:

Don't expect it to change anytime soon either. I jest often, especially the first day and I speak frankly. Perhaps one of my responses to Firefoot was in jest but the others were meant as warnings to avoid silly ideas that wolves will not be bold.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Feanor

"Fea's a wolf."

I know this isn't in context but fellow villagers don't be afraid to take this at face value. She's a magnificent bluffer if a wolf.