Survivor: The Second Age

[WaynetheGoblin]

++SAURUN
i think that i voted for him at the beggining.

[Diamond18]

Wayne, I think you might want to edit your post to add some more Tolkien based reasoning, or your vote most likely won't count at the end of the day. And believe me, there's nothing sadder that not counting fer nuthin' at the end of the day.

I said I would vote for Sauron and I'm a gonna:

+ + Sauron

First of all, he's a bad guy. Do we honestly need more reason than that? Kill the bad guys, kill the bad guys!

Secondly, as there as there are only two bad guys left, let's compare them.

The Witch-King -- strikes fear in the hearts of grown men and maketh them soileth themselves.

Sauron -- Gives pretty gifts and whispers anti-Valiar rubbish into people's ears, but otherwise leaves everything cool and scary to his lackeys. Oh get off your bum, you lousy pathetic excuse for a Dark Lord!

Should someone who was bested by a trio of halflings really win Survivor? I think not. Should someone who fell for the age old trick of tapping the opposite shoulder (i.e. Aragon and co. at the Black Gate) really win Survivor? Please. Made ya look!

[the phantom]

I was going to vote for someone else, but I have been swayed by Sauce's argument. Elros had everything you could ever want- long life, riches, and his own island kingdom, but what did he do to deserve it? I think we should cast out the undeserving Elros.
+ + Elros

The tide is clearly turning against those perceived as claiming the "right to win".

Well, that just shows how dumb people are.

I would understand turning against people who claim some sort of unearned right, but that's not what we are talking about. We're talking about characters who, through their choices and deeds, have earned the right to call themselves Survivor Champion.

We should give credit where credit is due, and reward those who have put forth the effort to place themselves among the great and powerful.

Should someone who was bested by a trio of halflings really win Survivor? I think not.

Sauron was most certainly not bested by a trio of halflings. He was defeated by divine intervention- he was bested by Eru. Sauron had grown so powerful and his Ring plot was so perfect (no one could willfully destroy it) that God himself had to step in on several occasions to ensure his defeat. If that's not greatness I don't know what is.

[Boromir88]

Well, I consider myself bound to honour my pledge to Boromir88 and so, today, I must vote for Elros (even though he himself seems inclined not to do so). Since, however, Boro did not vote in the decisive events of yesterday, I consider myself bound to do so for one day only.~Sauce

How noble of you Mr. Sauce. I regret not being able to make it to vote in time, but I respect your decision to be only bound to vote once.

So I will also vote for

++Elros

Because of the reasons I listed a couple days ago:

Elros is the guy everyone should be going after. He shied away from his Elven-heritage and formed the cursed kingdom of Numenor. He chose mortality because he couldn't face/handle living forever like his brother and his other kindred. He's the coward, not Cirdan.

Though you are making sense with Elrond I will say. Perhaps Earendil's entire family just needs wiped out. I mean let's think about it:

Elrond, along with Gandalf was the main planner for The Fellowship and the destruction of the Ring. But other than that what does he do? Also, that's in the 3rd age. He's even so lazy he sends his sons to give messages, because he doesn't want to leave.

Arwen, though beautiful, just a snobby little princess that is only the symbol of authority. She's like the Queen of England, rich, a nice title, but absolute no authority at all.

Elladan and Elrohir are just Aragorn wannabees, tagging along with the other Dunedain.

Now I know the last 3 aren't contestants, but it just shows the worthlessness of Earendil's descendants. The whole line needs to be wiped out (meaning Elros and Elrond).

Elros the founder of the greedy got to have more Kingdom of Men shouldn't be on the island anymore.

[Eonwe]

Originally Posted by The Phantamonious One

Elros had everything you could ever want- long life, riches, and his own island kingdom, but what did he do to deserve it? I think we should cast out the undeserving Elros.

Really, Phantom, I would expect better reasoning from you. What did he do not to deserve it? The rain falls on both the just and the unjust, and Elros was far from unjust. Long life he gets from his geniology. Can you help that, or even influence it one way or another? Riches? He was given exceptional favore from the Valar. What you are doing is like trying to deny people their birthday presents just because "they don't deserve them!"

Boromir, you too?

Shirked his half-elven heritage, you say? No, my good friend, he was simpely embracing his full manish side, since he couldn't be both. Not to mention, according to the Valar themselves, he made the better choice (as in "even the Valar shall grow weary and envy the Gift of Men.)

That's like you saying, "Here, you can have chocolate or vinilla. Ohhhh, you chose vinilla you coward!" No, I just happen to like choclate better, and didn't you say I could choose anyway?!

Ha! Your scandolous and inflamatory comments on Earendil's descendents I will leave unanswered, for the simple reason they have no merit, and therefore deserve no answer.

[Boromir88]

Shirked his half-elven heritage, you say?

And like I said he's a coward. He can't handle living forever, he has to choose mortality because he can't take the torture of living on forever. If Elrond deserves any credit he deserves at least accepting his Elvishness and living forever.

And look who Elros founded? He didn't want to live forever, but he founded a Kingdom that wasn't happy with living 5 times the amount of other men and they had to try to achieve more lifetime.

[Eonwe]

Originally Posted by B88

he has to choose mortality because he can't take the torture of living on forever.

Gotha. So which would you like today, Mr 88: the stretching machine, the hand crushing mallet, or the waterbed? The waterbed?! Ha! You coward, your not worthy of living!!!!

Elros didn't found a kingdom filled with sissy fountain of youth seekers. That came a few thousand years after his death. I'm sure you can see how he is not at fault for this, considering dead people can't influence the living.