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Elu Ancalime · 03-17-2006, 09:38 PM

From ap history thi year, the Mayans had there calendar on 50 or 51 year blacks or something like that. Maybe it was 61. Every 61 years or so the world would come very close to ending (signs were things like political strife, war, nature degradation, etc) and to appease the gods, they sacrificed, and bloodlet. Bloodletting is basically peircing your body, and it does not look like fun. It was done on the extrmities, and if you catch my drift, ANY extremity.
So it was interesting that the year Hernando Cortes and the Spanish conquistidors showed up was one of those years, and it was called the Year of the Reed. Cortes was white, and had a beard, and wore a feather in his helm. The Aztec/Mayan 'main' god was white skinned, wore a feathered headress, and was bearded. So naturally the locals thought the Spanshis were cool stuff. Of course, the conqured, and their king Mountcezuma was killed, and mnative society fell apart. Its a bit......"darkly ironic"...that the calendar, coped with modern atomic time, is only 42 days off.
There is one inconsistincy that many people overlook. Even though the Spanish motto was 'gold, glory. and god,' they werent there long enough (or let the natives stay alive long enough) to convert them to Catholicism. So there really is no relation to whatever Aztecs beleived and Chiristianity. (I cant speak for everybody, but that makes me safe)

So theres some history behind it
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Estelyn Telcontar · 03-17-2006, 11:29 PM

Please remember to keep your posts Tolkien-related, folks!

Lalwendë · 04-09-2007, 11:30 AM

Alright I was laughing then, but I'm not laughing quite as much now. I've found more references to 2012.

Crop circle fanatic Reg Presley (who famously invested his earnings from Love Is All Around in investigating the phenomena) mentioned 2012 as 'the year it all changes'. Then today I was innocently reading about psychonaut Terence McKenna's Novelty Theory which, to cut a long and complicated story short, predicts that the 'singularity of novelty', something he had not expected for thousands of years, will happen on 21st December 2012. The exact point at which the Mayan calendar says the world will end -etc, see above posts. There are some odd goings on involving the Sun shifting its magnetic poles and having huge sun spots and a weird, once-in-20,000-years eclipse that year too.

I'm now going to look in The Lost Road again to see what I can find!

davem · 04-09-2007, 12:45 PM

I expect 2012 to bring about the 57th anniversary edition of LotR, with 350+ corrections & amendments to the text in order to 'bring it into line with what Tolkien really wanted'. I shall make a start on it now, so we can have no more arguments....

03-17-2006, 09:38 PM	#1
Elu Ancalime Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Anador Posts: 476	From ap history thi year, the Mayans had there calendar on 50 or 51 year blacks or something like that. Maybe it was 61. Every 61 years or so the world would come very close to ending (signs were things like political strife, war, nature degradation, etc) and to appease the gods, they sacrificed, and bloodlet. Bloodletting is basically peircing your body, and it does not look like fun. It was done on the extrmities, and if you catch my drift, ANY extremity. So it was interesting that the year Hernando Cortes and the Spanish conquistidors showed up was one of those years, and it was called the Year of the Reed. Cortes was white, and had a beard, and wore a feather in his helm. The Aztec/Mayan 'main' god was white skinned, wore a feathered headress, and was bearded. So naturally the locals thought the Spanshis were cool stuff. Of course, the conqured, and their king Mountcezuma was killed, and mnative society fell apart. Its a bit......"darkly ironic"...that the calendar, coped with modern atomic time, is only 42 days off. There is one inconsistincy that many people overlook. Even though the Spanish motto was 'gold, glory. and god,' they werent there long enough (or let the natives stay alive long enough) to convert them to Catholicism. So there really is no relation to whatever Aztecs beleived and Chiristianity. (I cant speak for everybody, but that makes me safe) So theres some history behind it ________ Hs Last edited by Elu Ancalime; 03-03-2011 at 11:29 PM.

03-17-2006, 11:29 PM	#2
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	Moderator's note Please remember to keep your posts Tolkien-related, folks! __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

04-09-2007, 11:30 AM	#3
Lalwendë A Mere Boggart Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: under the bed Posts: 4,737	Alright I was laughing then, but I'm not laughing quite as much now. I've found more references to 2012. Crop circle fanatic Reg Presley (who famously invested his earnings from Love Is All Around in investigating the phenomena) mentioned 2012 as 'the year it all changes'. Then today I was innocently reading about psychonaut Terence McKenna's Novelty Theory which, to cut a long and complicated story short, predicts that the 'singularity of novelty', something he had not expected for thousands of years, will happen on 21st December 2012. The exact point at which the Mayan calendar says the world will end -etc, see above posts. There are some odd goings on involving the Sun shifting its magnetic poles and having huge sun spots and a weird, once-in-20,000-years eclipse that year too. I'm now going to look in The Lost Road again to see what I can find! __________________ Gordon's alive!

04-09-2007, 12:45 PM	#4
davem Illustrious Ulair Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In the home of lost causes, and forsaken beliefs, and unpopular names,and impossible loyalties Posts: 4,240	I expect 2012 to bring about the 57th anniversary edition of LotR, with 350+ corrections & amendments to the text in order to 'bring it into line with what Tolkien really wanted'. I shall make a start on it now, so we can have no more arguments.... __________________ “Everything was an object. If you killed a dwarf you could use it as a weapon – it was no different to other large heavy objects."