Survivor: The Second Age

[Anguirel]

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

Did it occur to you that this may be because he is so dull that there is very little else to say about him?

All of the above was wilful stupidity and misinterpretation and repetition ad nauseam and I disdain to reply to it. But this, I will address.

Saucie, earlier on you defended Ohtar, who has about one line of description in Canon. Your condemnation of Elrond was based on the fact that this shouldn't be about patting high-profile Tolkien characters on the back endlessly. This proves that you lack-as has been shown so often before-a grain of consistency.

As it happens, Celeborn is in my view one of those rare characters who is too cool to interfere with the plot in some flashy manner, but whose qualities on an unbiased reading are clear.

To use an RPG analogy, he's an extremely well-written cameo appearance...

But back to Amandil.

Elu says he could have preserved the Hope for the West by reaching the Valar. Nonsense, old chap, you're deluding yourself. We ought to tell Anarion

Full fathom five thy (grand)father lies
Those are pearls that were his eyes

It's fifty miles from Aberdour, and fifty fathoms deep...drown'd? Indeed he is!

But anyway...the Dunedain weren't, as far as I can tell, the hope for the West. They spelt doom to its native inhabitants whom they subjugated and oppressed with unrightful lordships. They caused endless trouble with their Ring-banditry. If Anarion encouraged their proto-colonialism, he should be punished...