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Diamond18 · 03-27-2006, 12:37 PM

+ + The Witch King

The Witch King is evil. Need I say more?

Lalaith · 03-27-2006, 12:47 PM

Well, ideally, no. But I fear I do because I want this vote counted.

A silly man, swayed by something round and shiny.
(There, Form, that even followed the ancient rules of alliteration)
++WITCH KING

Diamond18 · 03-27-2006, 06:08 PM

But, Lal, the fact of the W-K's evilness is supported by Tolkien's works.

Formendacil · 03-27-2006, 06:16 PM

Looks like double-long days are the norm now...

I should have been on earlier, but parents and siblings being what they are, I wasn't.

And now I have to work.

And then I have to sleep.

And then I have to wake up, go in to the city, wait two hours for a checkup and come home.

So, yes, this day will be double-longish. Perhaps I should make that the standard.

The 1,000 Reader · 03-28-2006, 12:13 AM

Hold it people. This is survivor. It doesn't matter if your God or Satan, the goal is to live. Heck, the winner of the first survivor ever was an evil prick and that was what made him win! You can't vote off the Witch-King simply because he's evil. Now, Celebrian didn't even see the war front; she just walked on the wrong side of the tracks on purpose and got hurt. The Queen of Rivendell should know where the enemy roams. She didn't have to endure horrorific armies and whatnot. Furthermore, she sailed into the west becuase of her injury. When that happened to Frodo, it was his "death" so to speak. The same applies for Celebrian.

Now, The Witch-King was tough. He wasn't about to work for Sauron unless he was needed greatly, and cunningly waited until Sauron "perished" and the Ring was lost until he started his campaign. He was alone, and his enemies were still ready to fight, and even with that he managed to make a kingdom In enemy territory and destroy the kingdom of Arnor. When he retreated, he did so because he could not risk a lengthy battle with Glorfindel and his reinforcements: he had a capital to save. Furthermore, the way he was killed could have actually happened to anyone; Aragorn, Gandalf, perhaps even Sauron.

The Witch-King was cunning, powerful, and managed to make a kingdom of his own and brought down a powerful enemy with him. Surely he could last longer than Celebrian or Tar-Mirel.

Also, this seems to be based off of the island survivor, not the age event survivor. The Witch-King isn't a little known guy like Othar. The Witch-King is well known, yet he hasn't gained a vote against him until now (biased votes I might add.) This means he's doing things right on the island. Also, given his evil rep., the fact that he's been around for so long without having to fall back on lying whispers shows that he's really got together for this. The Witch-King is worthy of at least making it in the final three.

Don't hate the Witch-King because he wasn't like Celebrian. We don't hate Gimil because he was shorter than Legolas, we don't hate Aragorn because he wasn't like Feanor. That's like hating someone because their favorite color is red instead of green. Do not hate someone because of such claims. If you are going to use that arguement, then why allow villains at all? Why allow Boromir? Why allow Denethor? Obviously, such a method is greatly flawed.

Save the Witch-King.

Celuien · 03-28-2006, 08:01 AM

Sigh. No more Celeborn. Such a cruel show. But I have other plans...

This is most likely a wasted vote today, but I refuse to vote with any of the anti-Celebornists (you know who you are) for now in protest of his eviction yesterday. (Protest ends tomorrow.)

And I like Celebrian.

So:

++ ELROS

Silly, silly man, going and choosing mortality.

Gil-Galad · 03-28-2006, 08:07 AM

like i said before, celebrian isn't that important and ends up being a ol' "timmy stuck in well" person

++Celebrian

Diamond18 · 03-28-2006, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The 1,000 Reader

You can't vote off the Witch-King simply because he's evil.

Says who, eh wot?

I can vote for the Witch-King because he's evil if I so desire. It's supported by Tolkien. Therefore it counts.

Previous games mean naught to me because I did not play in them. I suspect they wouldn't even if I had.

All lovers of good and defenders of Celebrian, unite!

The 1,000 Reader · 03-28-2006, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diamond18

Says who, eh wot?

I can vote for the Witch-King because he's evil if I so desire. It's supported by Tolkien. Therefore it counts.

Previous games mean naught to me because I did not play in them. I suspect they wouldn't even if I had.

All lovers of good and defenders of Celebrian, unite!

He's evil. I suppose you'd vote someone off if they were black too, huh? "He's evil." This is survivor, that arguement doesn't work. Who cares if he's evil? This is survivor. This isn't moral views TV, this is survivor. If we use the whole "they ar3 evil!!1" arguement the winner of the show will be the person who did the least and would be most likely to die. Therefore, they wouldn't be the actual survivor. They would only live because the others were killed off by an outside force.

Celebrian did the least and was injured and fled because she couldn't cope. She isn't a survivor, and she should go this time around.

03-27-2006, 12:37 PM	#1
Diamond18 Eidolon of a Took Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: my own private fantasy world Posts: 3,460	+ + The Witch King The Witch King is evil. Need I say more? __________________ All shall be rather fond of me and suffer from mild depression. Last edited by Diamond18; 03-27-2006 at 12:38 PM. Reason: stupid tags

03-27-2006, 12:47 PM	#2
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	Well, ideally, no. But I fear I do because I want this vote counted. A silly man, swayed by something round and shiny. (There, Form, that even followed the ancient rules of alliteration) ++WITCH KING __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

03-27-2006, 06:08 PM	#3
Diamond18 Eidolon of a Took Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: my own private fantasy world Posts: 3,460	But, Lal, the fact of the W-K's evilness is supported by Tolkien's works. __________________ All shall be rather fond of me and suffer from mild depression.

03-27-2006, 06:16 PM	#4
Formendacil Dead Serious Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Perched on Thangorodrim's towers. Posts: 3,328	Looks like double-long days are the norm now... I should have been on earlier, but parents and siblings being what they are, I wasn't. And now I have to work. And then I have to sleep. And then I have to wake up, go in to the city, wait two hours for a checkup and come home. So, yes, this day will be double-longish. Perhaps I should make that the standard. __________________ I prefer history, true or feigned.

03-28-2006, 12:13 AM	#5
The 1,000 Reader Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: I don't know. Eastern ME doesn't have maps. Posts: 527	Hold it people. This is survivor. It doesn't matter if your God or Satan, the goal is to live. Heck, the winner of the first survivor ever was an evil prick and that was what made him win! You can't vote off the Witch-King simply because he's evil. Now, Celebrian didn't even see the war front; she just walked on the wrong side of the tracks on purpose and got hurt. The Queen of Rivendell should know where the enemy roams. She didn't have to endure horrorific armies and whatnot. Furthermore, she sailed into the west becuase of her injury. When that happened to Frodo, it was his "death" so to speak. The same applies for Celebrian. Now, The Witch-King was tough. He wasn't about to work for Sauron unless he was needed greatly, and cunningly waited until Sauron "perished" and the Ring was lost until he started his campaign. He was alone, and his enemies were still ready to fight, and even with that he managed to make a kingdom In enemy territory and destroy the kingdom of Arnor. When he retreated, he did so because he could not risk a lengthy battle with Glorfindel and his reinforcements: he had a capital to save. Furthermore, the way he was killed could have actually happened to anyone; Aragorn, Gandalf, perhaps even Sauron. The Witch-King was cunning, powerful, and managed to make a kingdom of his own and brought down a powerful enemy with him. Surely he could last longer than Celebrian or Tar-Mirel. Also, this seems to be based off of the island survivor, not the age event survivor. The Witch-King isn't a little known guy like Othar. The Witch-King is well known, yet he hasn't gained a vote against him until now (biased votes I might add.) This means he's doing things right on the island. Also, given his evil rep., the fact that he's been around for so long without having to fall back on lying whispers shows that he's really got together for this. The Witch-King is worthy of at least making it in the final three. Don't hate the Witch-King because he wasn't like Celebrian. We don't hate Gimil because he was shorter than Legolas, we don't hate Aragorn because he wasn't like Feanor. That's like hating someone because their favorite color is red instead of green. Do not hate someone because of such claims. If you are going to use that arguement, then why allow villains at all? Why allow Boromir? Why allow Denethor? Obviously, such a method is greatly flawed. Save the Witch-King. __________________ "And forth went Morgoth, and he was halted by the elves. Then went Sauron, who was stopped by a dog and then aged men. Finally, there came the Witch-King, who destroyed Arnor, but nobody seems to remember that." -A History of Villains Last edited by The 1,000 Reader; 03-28-2006 at 12:24 AM.

03-28-2006, 08:01 AM	#6
Celuien Riveting Ribbiter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Assigned to Mordor Posts: 1,767	Sigh. No more Celeborn. Such a cruel show. But I have other plans... This is most likely a wasted vote today, but I refuse to vote with any of the anti-Celebornists (you know who you are) for now in protest of his eviction yesterday. (Protest ends tomorrow.) And I like Celebrian. So: ++ ELROS Silly, silly man, going and choosing mortality. __________________ People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect. But actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff.

03-28-2006, 08:07 AM	#7
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	like i said before, celebrian isn't that important and ends up being a ol' "timmy stuck in well" person ++Celebrian __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.