WWJ Attack of the Werecats:The ppuuuurrfect village

[Formendacil]

I think, this game, that I shall try playing without actually reading anyone's posts...

I shall actively strive to die before Day 6.

I shall pull a Nilp...

++ Formendacil.

Ermm... that's not such a wise tactic I guess.

-- Formendacil

++ Eonwe

Not for any particular reason... I just have found him totally perplexing in past games, and I'd just as soon be rid of perplexing things: perplexing and I don't get along well.

One change of vote down, and four to go...

Oh, I'm having fun here. Never, in all my eight games, played a retractable votes game before!

[Thinlómien]

Form, please don't start that. Self-votersor wannabe-self-voters never achieve anything but causing confusion. I see you saw that yourself, but that was a stupid joke.

Originally Posted by mormegil

Well Eonwe that's rather specious. I hope that we all adopt a similar strategy

I remember saying just the same in Day one in one village long time ago to him. Anyway, I agree with Roa that though Eonwe acts susoiciously it doesn't mean it's sure he's a wolf; that just eonwesque behaviour. Of course he might be using that as a cover... But I don't believe so. It's just a possibility we should acknowledge.

Day 1 is useless on Day 1. On further days, it might come in very useful. And it usually does.

[Thinlómien]

It seems there's no one except me here...

++Nogrod

in case I won't be back. That's hunch-based, nothing else. I hope I can return and cast a more reasonable vote.

[Sleepy Ranger]

Alright, just got back from school. Todays going to be a busy day for me so I doubt I can post much. Expect a random vote later on.

[wilwarin538]

I'm just leaving for school so I don't have much time. The following post was written extremely quickly.

This is so terrible, I loved those lases. We must get rid of these felines, imediately. They can not win. There isn't much we can do on Day 1 but post as much as we can and come up with some sort of plan. But try to be some what logical in your voting, we don't want a gifted killed on Day 1. That's all I can say for now.

Is that my bus?

Be back at 3pmEST.

[Nogrod]

So, are there any patterns here to be seen? (The following "synopsis" is not in an accurate order of things happening, but more like trying to bind things together)

Farael has been very active, stirring discussion. Picking on a couple of people with zero-backing.

Eonwe declaring his "voting for the 7th person in the list" -tactics.

Farael attacking & voting Eonwe

Morm disliking Eonwe's tactics, noting Farael vs. Diamond issue.

Glirdan, backing Morm's suspicion about Farael vs. Diamond.

Roa seeing sense in both Eonwe & Morm, asking for explanation from Morm & Glirdan about their suspicions on Farael vs. Diamond. Accusing Farael of early voting & trying to distract us.


And all this has led to a situation, where voting stands as follows:
Eonwe 2 (Farael 1., Form 3.)
Farael 1 (Alcarillo 2.)
Nogrod 1 (Lommy 4.)

Clearly Farael and Eonwe have been the most controversial players so far (Thank's Lommy for holding my flag up too! ). The others have been very careful indeed - if we don't count Roa's quite attacking style against Farael (posts 24, 27, 28).

I don't have Farael quite so high in my suspicion-list. He may be rushing around, but not in an overtly suspicious manner - and his vote for Eonwe seemed to me stem from principles concerning playing styles (+ quite well argued point about declaring a fully random vote very early on being good tactics by a cat!). Neither do I see Eonwe as overtly suspicious, for he seems generally to play like that. And even if I don't quite agree with him about the reasonableness of his tactics, I can't say to suspect him either, at least for the time being.

So, again I'm also a bit worried about us possibly lynching outspoken villagers just because they talk. That is quite bad politics. Maybe we should also see, what those less posted ones have actually said so far...

I'll have to go back reading essays to school, but will be back in a couple of hours, and hopefully for a bit longer then.

[Nogrod]

Kind of left my point unspoken...

As I don't think that Farael is a cat.

As I don't think that Eonwe is a cat.

As I know myself not to be a cat.

I would very much suggest we widen the scope of voting a little bit... and anyhow, there are only three of us voted by now.

[Diamond18]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Form, please don't start that. Self-votersor wannabe-self-voters never achieve anything but causing confusion.

Actually, I would beg to differ slightly on that point. I voted for myself last game and it was the only thing that managed to save my ordo-life and kill the last remaining wolf in the game. Granted, that was late in the game and I had to retract my self-vote to catch the wolf, but you see what I mean. There's always exceptions to the rule.

Okay. I had a ton to catch up on, so this isn't going to be very in depth (information overloads tend to leave me confused) but I have some observations:

• Valier has left us hints in the narration, apparently. I'm not sure I like this. It's confusing.
• Eonwe and Farael seem to be in the Day 1 running for "most suspicious" and Sleepy is coming up third.
• It seems just about everyone besides Garin and perhaps Roa have thrown characterization to the wind. My own feeble attempt to maintain any sort of character will be to put a beer mug at the head of all my posts. Weeeeeee.
• I have a few hours to spare before I must vote, seeing as I will be around till close to the deadline. This won't happen every day, but aren't we lucky toDay.

Other things I've noted is that for some reason which strikes me as odd:

Alcarillo voted for Farael, and in the very next post, Farael laid out a defense for Alca. No one was questiong Alca's vote or casting suspicion on him, so what's with the detailed defense? Why is it so important to speak up for the person who just voted for you, before anyone even has the chance to give an opinion on that vote? Curious.

Diamond said I was a possible cat. This I don't like because I know I am not .

Ha ha! I like this. It's cute. But anyway, Garin, I think my post was obviously a tongue-in-cheek attempt at addressing the "let's vote randomly" idea. Note I also suggested I'd vote for Nogrod because he's the 7th person on the list and I'd like to eat chocolate 7 days a week.

This isn't to say I don't have my eye on both of you in a serious way, of course.

Right now that's all I have to comment on. Maybe once I've read through the posts again I'll have something more interesting to add. In the meantime, seeing as I'm not obligated to vote yet, I won't.

[Farael]

Originally Posted by Diamond18

[*]It seems just about everyone besides Garin and perhaps Roa have thrown characterization to the wind. My own feeble attempt to maintain any sort of character will be to put a beer mug at the head of all my posts. Weeeeeee.

Ah, it's completely besides the point, but Miss Took I must say you mistook me.... come on, as in mistake? I am acting in character while doing my usual Day 1 research.... luckily for me, my game-style and my character both include the word "fool".... but this fool shan't be fooled so easily, eh Sleepy?

[Diamond18]

Originally Posted by Farael

Ah, it's completely besides the point, but Miss Took I must say you mistook me.... come on, as in mistake? I am acting in character while doing my usual Day 1 research.... luckily for me, my game-style and my character both include the word "fool".... but this fool shan't be fooled so easily, eh Sleepy?

Very interesting. Well, then I am curious to know what your thoughts are on the Alca matter? It was a curiousity I noted in that post. It just seems that, in a game where suspecting everyone is key, you were quick to stand up for someone. What was your motivation for that?

[Nogrod]

"One-posters" I can't see as very suspicious, yet. Hope to see them back all - even I myself might not be able to see it (the deadline is 2AM here).

Kath #4 The first post, telling to be coming back later.

Kitanna #40 Kind of annoyed about the retractables, promises to come back with more substance.

Wilwarin #36 Hopes us to be logical, that we don't lose a gifted, promising to be back.

Don't know, there is also sense in these.

Glirdan #6 Beginning "how-do-you-do". #23 Disliking Eonwe's tactics, Farael vs. Diamond case reminder. Promising to be back.

Alcarillo #26 Disliking people who think or try to come up with something, believes in gut voting on day 1, suspects Farael as being too eager. # 29 Vote for Farael.

The more suspicious one.

Telperaca "41 Popping in just for a vote, with nonsensical reasons - making it clear, it was not a substantial vote.

[Nogrod]

Even though I'm fully aware, that this kind of list is quite unsubstantial on day 1, I just thought, that I would have to make it - if not for other reasons, then to myself. I'll have to vote in some near future (it's 11PM now here), and need to clear my thoughts - and would like to hear you others commenting on this list too.

Lightly trusting:
Mormegil & Garin & Diamond seem to speak with reason. Trusting them enough for a first day (a good wolf would of course make just that impression).

Don't know:
Roa was somewhat heavy-handed against Farael in the beginning (24, 27, 28), insistence on Morm a bit odd. Most of the time reasonable, as always.

Eonwe I can't trust or heavily mistrust. I don't like his tactics, and think it plays to the hands of the wolves more than to the villagers.

Formendacil plays weird game anyhow. Just loving the retractables so much or then hiding behind a fool's mask?

Thinlomien is hard to figure. Some substance, too fast voting... two times.

Somewhat suspicious:
Farael is banging on everything, and there are some reasons for concern there also: whitewashing Alcarillo, targeting everything at sight, the duell with Sleepy...

Sleepy even with his quite reasonable defences - or just because of them. This active defence in very grave disagreement with his early posts saying he will just be sending a random vote (confident in slipping under the radar?).

Telperaca from my earlier list. Newbie, maybe, but really suspicious actions: just a vote, no talk, no anything else...

[Formendacil]

Sorry, Thinlómien, m'dear, but I don't care at all for Day 1s- at least, not as far as rational thinking goes. It's all very well to air out thoughts and lay out plans, and otherwise try to be helpless, but without so much as a Night Kill or a Day's Lynch to provide some evidence for speculation, there is no point to being serious. It'd take a stupid wolf- or cat- to really and truly slip up here.

Therefore, I fully intend to enjoy this Day 1 to its fullest, and to remain as ridiculous as possible. I utterly refuse to join with anything useful until I've had a good night's sleep.

-- Thinlómien

Because I've just realised that Glirdy's in the village. How delightful! I don't know why he's even playing- playing Werewolf that is, since he seems very fond indeed of his music playing. He should probably just go and lynch himself now, and save himself the trouble of protesting his innocence later...

++ Glirdan

P.S. Where is the foaming at the mouth Werewolf smiley? I rather feel the need of it right now...

[Kitanna]

So some (or most) of what I'm going to say has probably already been said, but I'm going through post by post and commenting on what I see fit.

1) Within the first ten posts Farael and Diamond had already started a war of words. For the most part playful in character comments (or so it seems) but it is possible the two are trying to make everyone think their enemies when they are really furry allies. Not much in the way of a theory, not for today in any case, but something to push to the back of your mind for a later day.
2) Eonwe goes into a normal day one post, "it's useless, it sucks, we all know it, my vote is random," etc. Morm comments on it. Eonwe elaborates/defends her standard first day post. Not a lot to go off of there.
3) Eonwe had commented on voting for player 7, which means Garin. Diamond comes back and says that's an interesting plan for the day and may do it herself. But in the same post she says she might vote Farael because he "cast a spurious light over my noble profession." Goes back to their first few posts. Says:

Actually I do think Eonwe has a point... but somehow it seems kind of nasty to vote someone off randomly thus ending the game prematurely for them, for no discernable reason besides the belief that there can be no reasonable votes toDay. It'll be hard to come up with something, yeah, but we at least ought to try....

Yet her reasons for wanting to vote for Farael seem no less random than her reasons for wanting to vote for Garin. Her reasons for Farael are because he made a remark about barmaid, so that is somewhat of a reason, but seems pretty random to me.
4) Roa comes on and believes Morm and Eonwe make very good points about what we can do today. Speaks against random voting unless all other options have failed. I’ll be interested to see where Roa’s vote goes today.
5) Farael casts a vote for Eonwe. He feels Eonwe is being suspicious on purpose to avoid suspicion (yes?). Because what intelligent player would speak as Eonwe did? Er, something like that, I won’t lie, has me a bit confused. Roa debunks Farael’s vote and says random voting is quite the common thing today. Farael comes back and mentions if he changes his mind we always have retractable votes. Alcarillo also comments on Farael’s “hasty” vote. Alcarillo feels he may vote for Farael. A few posts later, comes back and does just that.
6) At the end of the vote, Alcarillo apologizes to Farael if he is wrong and Farael calls him on it. It’s always suspicious to see someone apologize for a vote and somewhat annoying at times. But I wouldn’t jump on someone just yet for it. If the person they vote for is killed and turns out to be innocent, it bears looking into, but right now I won’t look too deep into Alcarillo’s apology.
7) Formendacil, ok, his first vote for himself, then immediately retracted and cast for Eonwe for no “particular reason”. He retracts his votes later, but I’ll talk about that when I get to it. Much to say on this fellow…
8) Lommy votes on a hunch about Nogrod. Can’t say much for either of them, both have been relatively quiet up to this point.
9) Morm comes back and questions Farael. Says

You keep asking why isn't anybody looking at me? It's almost as if you are seeking to be suspicious...but why?... In my experience, the guilty party rarely expose themselves on day 1 and those that jump out to you as guilty rarely are and those you think innocent might be guilty.

10) Telperaca votes for Eonwe on an in-character comment made by Eonwe near the start of day.
11) Sleepy votes for me out of randomness and says Garin is our protector.
12) Nogrod brings up Valier’s post in the planning thread and tries to figure out the meaning. I’m sure this will come back to get me later, but I’m not so sure looking into that is the best strategy. I mean if you get the hints wrong you can do way more harm than good. It could be misleading and I’d rather see us try solving this with our brains than with some unsure clues.
13) Sleepy now starts in on Valier’s post. Not much in the way of help. Roa and Sleepy go back and forth on occupations. Sleepy suspects roles and occupations to be linked and that Valier picked the roles based on occupation. Roa disagrees and I agree with Roa. If an occupation and a role go together I’d say it’s a coincidence.
14) There’s a lot of back and forth stuff in the next few posts. I’m going pretty slowly through this as it is so I can’t really comment, but the posts 49-65 are worth looking into, at least on how everyone was reacting to everyone else. Sleepy and Farael are the most interesting in that set.
15) Formendacil retracts yet another vote. This time he votes for Farael. Methinks Formendacil is not all that serious with his voting, which is why I hate retractable votes, but no reason to get into that. Lommy makes a good point about Formendacil going to whoever seems more likely to get a bandwagon, doesn’t make him look good. Formendacil then changes his vote to Lommy. With such behavior it makes me want to vote for him just to rid us of his flaky votes. Lommy changes her vote to Formendacil. Farael defends Formendacil saying he’ll be helpful tomorrow, but we can’t be totally sure. Formendacil may still be the same tomorrow and the next and so on. He’s a tricky one.
16) Garin votes for Sleepy. Doesn’t give much of a reason, but also outlines other suspects.
17) This is the post that gets me. Sleepy retracts his vote for me and says he “didn’t plan on sticking to my vote”, then why do that? I say if you don’t plan on keeping a vote for someone and you do it just to be random, and then don’t vote for them. You cause clutter, confusion, and waste time.
18) Farael changes his vote to Sleepy. Says Sleepy is as jumpy as himself. I’d say Sleepy is the jumpier one, but I wouldn’t go after someone because they’re jumping. I’m sure most of us are, we just haven’t shown it.
19) Roa votes for Morm.

Ok I need to stop and it’s annoying because I’m almost done reading the posts, but I really need to get to concert band. I also need to vote.

Formendacil and Sleepy have annoyed me a lot in this day, but on my principles I cannot vote for someone out of annoyance.
I don’t have real high suspicions of anyone. I have slight suspicions of Sleepy, Farael, and Diamond, but I’m not sure about voting for them.

I’m going to have to go for a random/gut vote here and I really hate to do that, but I don’t want to not vote. So here goes

++Sleepy

Sleepy’s behavior has me on edge. His defenses of himself seem reasonable, but I can’t shake the feeling he’s trying to lull us into trusting him and then he’ll kick us while we’ve got our guard down.

Edit: cross-posted with Diamond and Nogrod

[Sleepy Ranger]

Originally Posted by Farael

Ah, it's completely besides the point, but Miss Took I must say you mistook me.... come on, as in mistake? I am acting in character while doing my usual Day 1 research.... luckily for me, my game-style and my character both include the word "fool".... but this fool shan't be fooled so easily, eh Sleepy?

Would you kindly re-list your reasons for suspecting me? Because after reading through you seem to have no strong points against me...

[mormegil]

Well I for one will not be using Valier's post as a way of gleaning information. I don't like the idea and will not be swayed at all.

However I hold that Thinlomien has been behaving in a manner that I would consider a werecreature to do on the first day. Sleepy is jumping out at me too because of his flip-flopping and constant defense. There's a lot of idle chatter going on and little being said. Let me reread a couple of things and see with whom I've cross posted and I will return.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by ROA

Morm- He made a big deal out of Farael's supposed tiff with Diamond, which as far as I can tell doesn't exist. Then he didn't explain when I asked him to. I did ask him twice, and he posted after one of those requests, so it was there for him to see. He also accused Farael of spreading suspicion, when he has done the same himself. (Not I'm not, it's the hypocracy I find incriminating, not the behavior. As I said, we should look at everyone.)

That's a rather petty arguement. It was the opening sequence of events and Farael and Diamond went back and forth a bit. I mentioned it and really didn't make much of it other than that. It seems to me that you've made a bigger deal of it than anybody. I didn't respond to your query because I found it so absurd that I didn't feel the need. While it seems I'm responding to your query now I am still not, what I am doing is finding actual behavior that is supicious and commenting on it. I can't decide if this makes you seem like a hapless innocent or a blood thirsty kitten.

So please explain why your are over-reacting thusly?

[Sleepy Ranger]

I'm out for the day, I shall see you all on Day 2!