Tol-in-Gaurhoth XIX: Ang Sagang Daga, bow.

[Thinlómien]

Wolf-logic is interesting...

A question: how much did you wolves use the right to pm during days?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Glirdan: in this game you were, as is called, an inevitable sacrifice. It happens to all of us, don't worry!

And sorry for incriminating you so much.

At least we will both be remembered as righteous villagers.

[Kath]

A question: how much did you wolves use the right to pm during days?

As much as we could! I shall prove it by posting Day 1's PMs a little later.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Wolf-logic is interesting...

A question: how much did you wolves use the right to pm during days?

Well, as Kath said, we PMed quite a bit, Day and Night, at the beginning. After Kath and Lhuna died, though, Samwise and I sort of stopped talking (which says a lot about the talkativeness of men vs. women), except for short dialogues on who to kill.

Mind you, though, when Kath was around, there were usually three of us on around 4:00-5:00 (my time, MST): Kath, Samwise, and me. Just before and after Day End/beginning, there'd usually be Samwise, Lhuna, and me- so having a third person around tended to spur us to talk more.

[Kath]

You loved it really Form! Now, Day 1's PMs, as promised. Not as many as I thought actually.

Day 1 - SamwiseGamgee
So, how go ye?

Nobody's being overly suspicious at the moment. There are many minor points of suspisciosness at the moment, but it's all pretty patchy, and I've just been picked up on making 'weak' accusations. (Though Cailin's behavior was odd, even given his explained absence.)

So, who do I think we could accuse: well, Glirdan has twice now (Posts # 15 & #41) overreacted somewhat to accusations against him. (As an aside, we must be careful not to do that, it's very sus.)

Garin in #28 responds to a silly comment from Eonwe. Why would he do that?

Very early on (#6) Thinlomien encouraged posting rarely- does she want to fly under the radar? Then in post #11 she reponds very quickly to an accusation- like 3 mins later.

Now obviously these are all written from an ordo viewpoint, which is how we have to float them on the thread.

Also, I think if one of us has a deciding vote to cause a double lynch we should opt out of it- could really help us later on.


Day 1 – Kath
Oh why oh why did you have to attack Cailin Samwise! I was going to suggest killing her tonight, as she seems rather close to our way of thinking. Course leaving her alive and using that to incriminate her could work but she's good at getting herself out of trouble.

Glirdan - well he's always a little touchy, I think people will just see it as him being him.

Garin - picks up on every comment thrown his way. Easy to annoy, he'll practically lynch himself because he gets so many villagers angry at him.

Lommy - loves werewolf, is likely hanging around a lot of the time which explains the quick posting. You are right though that she is surprisingly quiet. I think keeping an eye on her would be good.

Ang - being far too sensible for my liking. Day 1's he's usually off with inane comments and generally being unhelpful.

Now Samwise you and I are on lmp's substantial post list, which with him is equal to helpful ord on the first day at least. Staying there would be preferable!


Day 1 – Form
You never know, a little suspicion for us wouldn't be a bad thing. There's nothing wrong with being suspected- as long as you don't get lynched. In fact, being a little bit suspected is probably safer than being unsuspected.

And the longer he stays around- if everybody plays to form- then he can be a good alternative candidate to any of us.

Quite so.

Could be school and/or timezones. I don't know how Finland fits in, but she could have been asleep/at school for most of the game thus far. Wait till the end of the day before making anything of this, say I.

Definitely someone to be rid of soon... If he doesn't point to any of us, let's kill him tonight before he can leave tracks.

Aye, keep up the good work.

I, alas, have a well-known aversion to Day 1s, and it would be best, for appearing normal, if I don't appear overly useful today.


Day 1 – Samwise
Well I just sided with Ang- which I'm immediately regretting. It's a big risk on day one, but I'm a knife-edge kind of wolf!

Now I forget who suggested lynching Ang, but he did make a subtle accusation about me in #51. We should bear that in mind, I think.


Day 1 – Samwise
Off to bed now. Darned timezones. I'll be getting up an hour before nightfall, so feel free to PM whenever you fancy. And if during the night things turn against me feel free to vote against me- just don't cast the deciding vote against me! Then I will be mad!

[littlemanpoet]

Night 1:

Spawn: So, our first dream... We should probably pick someone who doesn't usually get killed early on, like Kath or Lalaith. What do you think?

LMP: Alternative method: 'scry' the one about whom not knowing is likely to create the greatest confusion for the village in the first few days. My choices would be Eomer, Anguirel, Lhuna, and Guy.

Spawn: I was thinking about Lhuna, too. Somehow she's always supected although she has been innocent, so maybe it's good to find out her role as soon as possible.

I've never played with Lommy or Caranlondien, so I don't know about their playing style which is a bit scary. I'm up for dreaming of Lhuna toNight. We'll be wiser after Day 1, I hope, and then our dream doesn't have to be just a guess anymore.

As to our playing strategy... We probably should just play as we normally do. Leaving clues won't be necessary this early on, I think, since there are two of us, so it's not like all the information would go in waste if one of us gets killed or lynched. Although, the fact that there are two Seers would allow leaving hints better than usually because of the same reason.

LMP: Lhuna is a good choice I think. In WWJ5 Lommy was loud and constantly spinning theories about this person or that person, trying to drum up response, support, what have you. I expect the same behavior from her this game. If she's innocent, that kind of behavior is a very good thing.

Caranlondien is brand new to the Downs and werewolf. Learning curve there probably, so look for rookie mistakes and what-not.

If we dream of a werewolf, only one of us should vote for that person on the following Day, because the werewolves will be looking for pairs voting against werewolves; handy clue-finder for seer hunting.

Spawn: I agree about the voting. Let's find out if Lhuna's guilty or not, and then see if we need to do something about her in the next few Days.

Day 1:

Spawn: Lhuna was a good choice for a dream, I see.

I guess we play just like two Ords for starters i.e. no clues, right? It might be too early to say anything against Lhuna unless she does something really odd toDay. In any case, if we have been given the possibility to talk behind the scenes during Day, too, why not use it?

As to our next dream, I think we've got a sign: we might have to pick Garin or Valier.

LMP: Lhuna will be so ticked when she finds out at the end (or sooner). I'll play this as according to my new "analytical" mode, which, if Lhuna says anything suspicious, she'll get a "tick" on my "tick-sheet". That may not lead to her being the most suspicious on my list. One of us votes for her toDay?

Spawn: I think I sort of try to make friends with Lhuna first, but if she does something suspicious, I'll point that out. Let's see how this Day gets going and if it's possible to vote for Lhuna without getting caught.

I'm just trying to write my post where I'll comment Lhuna and Lalaith's suggestions.

Hmm, is this 'tick-sheet' something you do in public or is it for your personal use?

LMP: The "tick sheet" is personal use, off of which I build my posts. See WWJ5 Day One for the only example so far. It caught The Ka as our Day One lynch victim, so its success rate is currently 100%.

Lhuna's first post raises a question for me. "Precisely how many is spread too thin?" She's trying to be coy for obvious reasons (to you and me they are), so we'll see if a little probing reveals anything useful.

Spawn: Okay, sounds like good method.

Yeah. Also, I was wondering Eomer's behaviour. I know he and Lhuna are friends, but Eomer can be a bold wolf.

I hope more people will join the discussion soon so that we can get some real accusations instead of all this tactics talk.

LMP: You echo my thinking regarding Eomer/Lhuna. A useful hypothesis, worth keeping in mind. Watch and see further developments. So far the only negative things I show are those I've asked "why" or "more info please" in my one post.

Cailin's early vote for Lalaith.... Any thoughts?

Whereas Lalaith says something rather substantive in post #31, I tend to disagree. If anything, it seems the werewolves are going to be more cautious, not less. Therefore they would be less likely to vote for each other, don't you think? Trying to think like a werewolf who is not the Lover here..... I have a half-time ally, half-time traitor; the guy/gal wants to kill with me, but eventually wants me gone, which I want of him/her too. But I don't want to willy nilly make the mistake of getting rid of the two other non-lover wolves, so I'm going to work my butt off toward two goals:

1. eliminate the seers as soon as possible.

2. eliminate the ordo lover as soon as possible; this second virtually eliminates the Lover angle, for the Lover-werewolf can still win as fellow werewolf, just as the Lover-ordo can still win as fellow ordo... right?

End, Night 1 & Day 1

[Lalaith]

Fascinating stuff, dear seers and wolves.

I'm still not clear how I escaped the night I was supposed to be eaten, and Celuien was instead.
Were the two wolves in disagreement about who to eat? Was Celuien mistaken for the Seer, as I maintained? Did Form think I was the Seer or was I just a safe victim?

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Fascinating stuff, dear seers and wolves.

I'm still not clear how I escaped the night I was supposed to be eaten, and Celuien was instead.
Were the two wolves in disagreement about who to eat? Was Celuien mistaken for the Seer, as I maintained? Did Form think I was the Seer or was I just a safe victim?

Okay, I'll try and explain...

That day I was working, so I was not on at the time of Day that Samwise and I were normally able to talk and make a decision.

Since we didn't have time to talk, when I got on later, I sent Nilp a PM- with your name, since I wanted to make sure SOMEONE died, and you were the first choice.

Fortunately for you, Samwise had done the same thing a few hours earlier. As Nilp's rules stated, the first name in got the kill.

It had nothing to do with disagreement, just a lack of talking and certain hedging of bets. Neither of us wanted to see no Kill for the Night, and we clearly weren't going to be on in time to talk...

EDIT: And yes, Lalaith, I thought you might be a Seer- but I wanted you dead anyway. Smart people irk me in Werewolf...

[littlemanpoet]

Originally Posted by Formendacil

Smart people irk me in Werewolf...

No wonder I lasted so long...

[Gurthang]

Originally posted by Kath from a PM of Samwise
Also, I think if one of us has a deciding vote to cause a double lynch we should opt out of it- could really help us later on.

Ack! Great strategy, as this was one reason that I thought Samwise was innocent. I should have taken my own advice that wolves would be completely willing to do anything.