Survivor: The Second Age - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

JennyHallu · 03-29-2006, 11:18 AM

And had Celebrimbor not made his rings, Sauron's might not have been so powerful. Pure speculation, but Sauron waited to make his Ring until Celebrimbor had already made the others, right? The other rings must also have been vital in Sauron's plans for world domination.

Tuor in Gondolin · 03-29-2006, 11:25 AM

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And had Celebrimbor not made his rings, Sauron's might not have been so powerful. Pure speculation, but Sauron waited to make his Ring until Celebrimbor had already made the others, right? The other rings must also have been vital in Sauron's plans for world domination.

JH: You could have the basis of several interesting threads here.
(I'm too lazy to check if there are existing ones). Tolkien
himself is, I believe, ambivalent on the overall effects of the three rings on
Middle-earth and the elves. And would a "stand-alone" Sauron Ring
have been less powerful?

At any rate, the Celebrimbor vote stands, although he did resist
Sauron, but he seems to be ethically/politically ambivalent
(in some versions ousting Galadriel from power) and still
pursuing elf power in Middle-earth.

JennyHallu · 03-29-2006, 11:33 AM

TiG: Sauron's own poem describing his Ring refers to it as Master of the other Rings, not as an independent power...

And if that is so, then Celebrimbor's denseness actively aided Sauron. He didn't even try to resist Sauron until he saw him in total "I am going to rule the world thanks to these suckers" mode and couldn't make an excuse not to.

Eonwe · 03-29-2006, 02:46 PM

NO, NO, a thouand time NOO!!! Celebrimbor, under no circumstances, should be voted off. Gulibility and sespeptablity to treachery were common problems in the Second Age. Think was good would have been lost had he not made his rings. Not to mention, they were not ever corrupted by Sauron. They came entirely from Celebrimbor's own thoughts and desires. Sauron made his ring to ensnare the bearers of all the others; he didn't even konw of teh Three.

Celebrimbor is the perfect candidate to win this Survivor. Not only does he have wisdom, skill, and knowledge, above all, he shows an admirable change in attitude from his father. Gone is the treacherous, deseitful leach. He will not stoop to play those power-games with the like of Grima Woomtouge and his father's brother's. No, he strikes out on the path of peace and knowledge, using his gifts of the sake of others.

Eonwe · 03-29-2006, 02:48 PM

Down with Elros! Down with the Pansy-King! Down with the Undeserving Monarch!

++Elros

Ha!

03-29-2006, 11:18 AM	#1
JennyHallu The Pearl, The Lily Maid Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In my luxury Barrow, snuggled up in a pile of satin pillows, eating fresh fruit. Posts: 1,628	And had Celebrimbor not made his rings, Sauron's might not have been so powerful. Pure speculation, but Sauron waited to make his Ring until Celebrimbor had already made the others, right? The other rings must also have been vital in Sauron's plans for world domination. __________________ <=== Lookee, lookee, lots of IM handles!

03-29-2006, 11:33 AM	#3
JennyHallu The Pearl, The Lily Maid Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In my luxury Barrow, snuggled up in a pile of satin pillows, eating fresh fruit. Posts: 1,628	TiG: Sauron's own poem describing his Ring refers to it as Master of the other Rings, not as an independent power... And if that is so, then Celebrimbor's denseness actively aided Sauron. He didn't even try to resist Sauron until he saw him in total "I am going to rule the world thanks to these suckers" mode and couldn't make an excuse not to. __________________ <=== Lookee, lookee, lots of IM handles!

03-29-2006, 02:46 PM	#4
Eonwe Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: In a world grown ever smaller. Posts: 678	NO, NO, a thouand time NOO!!! Celebrimbor, under no circumstances, should be voted off. Gulibility and sespeptablity to treachery were common problems in the Second Age. Think was good would have been lost had he not made his rings. Not to mention, they were not ever corrupted by Sauron. They came entirely from Celebrimbor's own thoughts and desires. Sauron made his ring to ensnare the bearers of all the others; he didn't even konw of teh Three. Celebrimbor is the perfect candidate to win this Survivor. Not only does he have wisdom, skill, and knowledge, above all, he shows an admirable change in attitude from his father. Gone is the treacherous, deseitful leach. He will not stoop to play those power-games with the like of Grima Woomtouge and his father's brother's. No, he strikes out on the path of peace and knowledge, using his gifts of the sake of others. __________________ I've got bridge club on Wednesday, Archery on Thursday, Dancing on a Friday night!

03-29-2006, 02:48 PM	#5
Eonwe Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: In a world grown ever smaller. Posts: 678	A change in forien policy: Down with Elros! Down with the Pansy-King! Down with the Undeserving Monarch! ++Elros Ha! __________________ I've got bridge club on Wednesday, Archery on Thursday, Dancing on a Friday night!