WWJ Attack of the Werecats:The ppuuuurrfect village - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Roa_Aoife · 03-30-2006, 12:36 PM

You could do an analysis of Eonwe if it bothers you that much Farael.

Roa_Aoife · 03-30-2006, 12:37 PM

Wilwa
Day 1
1st post - Rushed, requests people to be logical in voting, wants to keep gifteds alive
2nd - has a weird feeling about Garin, uneasy about Farael, wants to reread everything, says she might vote for Sleepy, but wants to wait a bit, comments on Oddness in Glirdan’s post
3rd - requests time limit
4th - Gives reasoning for Sleepy vote, says he has the most reasons to be suspected, votes Sleepy.

Day 2
1st post - answers suspicions, says she was stressed because of the situation her lateness put her in, says she made the best decision she could, thinks it would have been better not to vote like Glirdan

Roa_Aoife · 03-30-2006, 12:44 PM

Anaylsis of Wilwa

I have found no contradiction in her posts. She hasn't jumped around, and she stays on one track. I doubt seriously that a cat would kill someone who was suspicious of them, so Nogrod's list is out in my mind. I also believe that the placement of her vote means nothing. She said that she would probably vote for Sleepy, but she wanted to review. She also mentioned that she would be only able to vote near the dealine. RL issues made her the last voter- that's hardly a reason to lynch her. In my experience, wolves/cats hide in the middle or the beginning of bandwagons for their teammates.

Her hedge statement is the only point of suspicion I can find, and that alone is not enough for me to lynch her.

Roa_Aoife · 03-30-2006, 12:48 PM

Added onto that- the main reason everyone is suspecting her is Nogrod's list. Valier already pointed out that there were no hints in the narrative. Saying that Nogrod caught Sleepy with that list is really an over statement. There were many other reasons people suspected Sleepy, Nogrod included. You place too much faith in a list that has been debunked.

I'm not saying we shouldn't be suspicious of Wilwa- we should suspect everyone- but the case against her is flimsy and insubstantial.

Edit: Cross posted with Kath

Kath · 03-30-2006, 12:54 PM

Meant to put this in that last post!

The person I feel is actually most suspicious toDay is Garin. His gloating about having been the one to start the Sleepy bandwagon put me on edge and then I read Roa's analysis of him and it only increased my suspicions. He has very vague or no reasoning at all for many of his suspicions.

I would like to hear from Garin regarding this, preferably without rude comments and general high-mindedness.

By the way Roa, sorry for ruining your quadruple posting!

Garin · 03-30-2006, 01:12 PM

Sorry, but I was proud that I helped get a Werecat and thought I finally arrived in a village that wouldn't lynch an innocent Garin. I am at work and am too busy right now. My vote stands for now.

Answering suspicions has distracted me from my analysis of Kitanna and I have no time left.

Basically, I wrote my analysis of Kitanna on MS Word and for some reason the work comp is not allowing me to copy and paste onto the web. My lunch is over so I won't be able to post what a wrote today.

Basically, Kitanna seems okay to me at the moment but raised some good points about others. Gotta go......

EDIT: Spelling

Garin · 03-30-2006, 01:17 PM

In closing, I find no reason I need to defend myself except that anyone who votes for me is either stupid or a werecat.

Edit: Sorry to offend anyone but that is vintage Garin.

Garin · 03-30-2006, 12:49 PM

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Roa: Also, your first post today, drawing attention to your sleepy vote makes you very suspicious in my mind. It seems like your saying, "See? I voted for a cat! I must be innocent," which is exactly what I would expect a cat to say.

I'm sorry I seem upset but there happens to be a matter of where the vote appears. Wilwarin's last minute vote and dialogue is suspicious and is completely different from my vote for Sleepy.

Roa_Aoife · 03-30-2006, 12:51 PM

Garin, you don't seem upset. And you haven't answered that suspicion. Pointing out your own vote like that was suspicious, and as far as you knew, it was the first post. (You marked that you had cross-posted with the first two posters.)

Roa_Aoife · 03-30-2006, 01:06 PM

No need to apologize, Kath, I didn't want to turn into Thin anyways. (No offense Thin.)

I'd like to take a moment to address a few things - first, I'm female. You can see my pic on the BD photopage to prove it. And don't worry, no offense taken. (I'm told I have very masculine behavior anyways....)

Second, I disagree that referencing past games is in poor taste. People who have played in certain past games can remember the behavior of the other villagers. Ie, "So-and-so acted like this when they were a gifted, but like this when they were a wolf." Also, references to past games can help devise strategies. True, every game is different, but certain trends appear time and time again. The last game I played in, my fellow seer mangaed to let an innocent know who she was by hinting at a past game with a similar situation. Experience counts for something here. Trying to take away the advantage of an experienced player isn't playing fairly.

The new players will catch on. And if they listen to those with more experience, they may catch the subtleties of the game a lot faster.

Formendacil · 03-30-2006, 01:14 PM

Okay, I'm totally at sea here...

Well, not completely, but I'm becoming VERY aware just how seperate the WWJ and the main WW communities are... There is some overlap, of course, but I haven't been this clueless about so much of a village since my first game...

That said, Alcarillo's name has come up a couple times as being annoyingly quiet in posting, showing up towards the end, posting a vote with little explanation.

Now, this is perfectly normal for Alcarillo. I don't know if this is a style he has consciously chosen, or if it's a problem to be associated with Real Life. Either way, he has an annoying tendency to slip under the radar.

This can be a good thing. Alcarillo was once a Ranger, and was able to survive for the better portion of the game, protecting the Seer and other miscellaneous sorts.

It can also be a bad thing. Alcarillo was once a Werewolf, and survived to win the game.

Personally, I am of the opinion that it is a bad thing. Most likely, stats being what they are, Alcarillo is an Ordo- but with his low posting rate, we'll never know. If he's a Werewolf... er, Werecat, then we'll never know either.

If he's a Gifted... then sorry.

++ Alcarillo

Roa_Aoife · 03-30-2006, 01:19 PM

If someone could please post an analysis of Farael, I would be much obliged. I don't really have the energy for it right now. I don't know if I'll be back on before closing. For now, my suspicion is with Garin.

++Garin

If I manage to get on and find someone else more suspicious, I'll change my vote.

Edit: Cross posted with Garin- I believe Kath requested you defend yourself without the rudeness and high-mindedness.

Also, Alca, there's another werewolf community you've been neglecting. *points to signature*

Garin · 03-30-2006, 01:37 PM

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Kath: I would like to hear from Garin regarding this, preferably without rude comments and general high-mindedness.

Gosh, do you know me, Kath?

I wasn't gloating about starting Sleepy's bandwagon. I simply wanted to state that my vote was not a random one and was based on suspicion. I was also delighted that we killed a Werecat and I cast the first vote!

That is not suspicious, that is a villager celebrating.

Vote for me if you must.

Oh, and Roa.

Which one are you?

03-30-2006, 12:36 PM	#1
Roa_Aoife Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Someday, I'll rule all of it. Posts: 1,696	You could do an analysis of Eonwe if it bothers you that much Farael. __________________ We can't all be Roas* when it comes to analysing...* -Lommy I didn't say you're evil, Roa, I said you're exasperating. -Nerwen

03-30-2006, 12:37 PM	#2
Roa_Aoife Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Someday, I'll rule all of it. Posts: 1,696	Wilwa Day 1 1st post - Rushed, requests people to be logical in voting, wants to keep gifteds alive 2nd - has a weird feeling about Garin, uneasy about Farael, wants to reread everything, says she might vote for Sleepy, but wants to wait a bit, comments on Oddness in Glirdan’s post 3rd - requests time limit 4th - Gives reasoning for Sleepy vote, says he has the most reasons to be suspected, votes Sleepy. Day 2 1st post - answers suspicions, says she was stressed because of the situation her lateness put her in, says she made the best decision she could, thinks it would have been better not to vote like Glirdan __________________ We can't all be Roas* when it comes to analysing...* -Lommy I didn't say you're evil, Roa, I said you're exasperating. -Nerwen

03-30-2006, 12:44 PM	#3
Roa_Aoife Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Someday, I'll rule all of it. Posts: 1,696	Anaylsis of Wilwa I have found no contradiction in her posts. She hasn't jumped around, and she stays on one track. I doubt seriously that a cat would kill someone who was suspicious of them, so Nogrod's list is out in my mind. I also believe that the placement of her vote means nothing. She said that she would probably vote for Sleepy, but she wanted to review. She also mentioned that she would be only able to vote near the dealine. RL issues made her the last voter- that's hardly a reason to lynch her. In my experience, wolves/cats hide in the middle or the beginning of bandwagons for their teammates. Her hedge statement is the only point of suspicion I can find, and that alone is not enough for me to lynch her. __________________ We can't all be Roas* when it comes to analysing...* -Lommy I didn't say you're evil, Roa, I said you're exasperating. -Nerwen

03-30-2006, 12:48 PM	#4
Roa_Aoife Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Someday, I'll rule all of it. Posts: 1,696	Quadruple post- I'm pulling a Thin! Added onto that- the main reason everyone is suspecting her is Nogrod's list. Valier already pointed out that there were no hints in the narrative. Saying that Nogrod caught Sleepy with that list is really an over statement. There were many other reasons people suspected Sleepy, Nogrod included. You place too much faith in a list that has been debunked. I'm not saying we shouldn't be suspicious of Wilwa- we should suspect everyone- but the case against her is flimsy and insubstantial. Edit: Cross posted with Kath __________________ We can't all be Roas* when it comes to analysing...* -Lommy I didn't say you're evil, Roa, I said you're exasperating. -Nerwen

03-30-2006, 12:54 PM	#5
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	Meant to put this in that last post! The person I feel is actually most suspicious toDay is Garin. His gloating about having been the one to start the Sleepy bandwagon put me on edge and then I read Roa's analysis of him and it only increased my suspicions. He has very vague or no reasoning at all for many of his suspicions. I would like to hear from Garin regarding this, preferably without rude comments and general high-mindedness. By the way Roa, sorry for ruining your quadruple posting! __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”

03-30-2006, 01:12 PM	#6
Garin Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ciudad de Lago del Sal Posts: 331	Sorry, but I was proud that I helped get a Werecat and thought I finally arrived in a village that wouldn't lynch an innocent Garin. I am at work and am too busy right now. My vote stands for now. Answering suspicions has distracted me from my analysis of Kitanna and I have no time left. Basically, I wrote my analysis of Kitanna on MS Word and for some reason the work comp is not allowing me to copy and paste onto the web. My lunch is over so I won't be able to post what a wrote today. Basically, Kitanna seems okay to me at the moment but raised some good points about others. Gotta go...... EDIT: Spelling __________________ I am a sick man ... I am a spiteful man. I am an unpleasant man. I think my liver is diseased. Fyodor Dostoevsky "Notes From the Underground" Last edited by Garin; 03-30-2006 at 01:49 PM.

03-30-2006, 01:17 PM	#7
Garin Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ciudad de Lago del Sal Posts: 331	In closing, I find no reason I need to defend myself except that anyone who votes for me is either stupid or a werecat. Edit: Sorry to offend anyone but that is vintage Garin. __________________ I am a sick man ... I am a spiteful man. I am an unpleasant man. I think my liver is diseased. Fyodor Dostoevsky "Notes From the Underground"

03-30-2006, 12:51 PM	#9
Roa_Aoife Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Someday, I'll rule all of it. Posts: 1,696	Garin, you don't seem upset. And you haven't answered that suspicion. Pointing out your own vote like that was suspicious, and as far as you knew, it was the first post. (You marked that you had cross-posted with the first two posters.) __________________ We can't all be Roas* when it comes to analysing...* -Lommy I didn't say you're evil, Roa, I said you're exasperating. -Nerwen

03-30-2006, 01:06 PM	#10
Roa_Aoife Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Someday, I'll rule all of it. Posts: 1,696	No need to apologize, Kath, I didn't want to turn into Thin anyways. (No offense Thin.) I'd like to take a moment to address a few things - first, I'm female. You can see my pic on the BD photopage to prove it. And don't worry, no offense taken. (I'm told I have very masculine behavior anyways....) Second, I disagree that referencing past games is in poor taste. People who have played in certain past games can remember the behavior of the other villagers. Ie, "So-and-so acted like this when they were a gifted, but like this when they were a wolf." Also, references to past games can help devise strategies. True, every game is different, but certain trends appear time and time again. The last game I played in, my fellow seer mangaed to let an innocent know who she was by hinting at a past game with a similar situation. Experience counts for something here. Trying to take away the advantage of an experienced player isn't playing fairly. The new players will catch on. And if they listen to those with more experience, they may catch the subtleties of the game a lot faster. __________________ We can't all be Roas* when it comes to analysing...* -Lommy I didn't say you're evil, Roa, I said you're exasperating. -Nerwen

03-30-2006, 01:14 PM	#11
Formendacil Dead Serious Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Perched on Thangorodrim's towers. Posts: 3,328	Okay, I'm totally at sea here... Well, not completely, but I'm becoming VERY aware just how seperate the WWJ and the main WW communities are... There is some overlap, of course, but I haven't been this clueless about so much of a village since my first game... That said, Alcarillo's name has come up a couple times as being annoyingly quiet in posting, showing up towards the end, posting a vote with little explanation. Now, this is perfectly normal for Alcarillo. I don't know if this is a style he has consciously chosen, or if it's a problem to be associated with Real Life. Either way, he has an annoying tendency to slip under the radar. This can be a good thing. Alcarillo was once a Ranger, and was able to survive for the better portion of the game, protecting the Seer and other miscellaneous sorts. It can also be a bad thing. Alcarillo was once a Werewolf, and survived to win the game. Personally, I am of the opinion that it is a bad thing. Most likely, stats being what they are, Alcarillo is an Ordo- but with his low posting rate, we'll never know. If he's a Werewolf... er, Werecat, then we'll never know either. If he's a Gifted... then sorry. ++ Alcarillo __________________ I prefer history, true or feigned.

03-30-2006, 01:19 PM	#12
Roa_Aoife Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Someday, I'll rule all of it. Posts: 1,696	If someone could please post an analysis of Farael, I would be much obliged. I don't really have the energy for it right now. I don't know if I'll be back on before closing. For now, my suspicion is with Garin. ++Garin If I manage to get on and find someone else more suspicious, I'll change my vote. Edit: Cross posted with Garin- I believe Kath requested you defend yourself without the rudeness and high-mindedness. Also, Alca, there's another werewolf community you've been neglecting. points to signature __________________ We can't all be Roas* when it comes to analysing...* -Lommy I didn't say you're evil, Roa, I said you're exasperating. -Nerwen Last edited by Roa_Aoife; 03-30-2006 at 01:22 PM.