Eorling Mead Hall Planning/Discussion Thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Bêthberry · 04-04-2006, 09:14 AM

There always was a back doorway to the kitchen, folks. No one had to come through the ba**room window.

As for barbeques, shish-kebabs (or shashliks) got their start as raw meat skewered on sword blades and thrust into campfires, in a culture famed for its horsemanship. Then again, an outdoor oven could be built.

And there never was a courtyard. That was always too fancy for an inn. But Eodwine might want one now.

The walls of the old Horse were not all wood, although rough hewn timber provided the framework. Here's info on wattle and daub construction and Saxon buildings and Saxon Village Reconstructed .

If this repeats info LMP provided earlier, I apologise. I shifted back three pages here and couldn't find any building links.

Kath · 04-04-2006, 09:19 AM

Right so if Kara went and found Thornden and Degas they could build this outdoor oven and get things working? Guess I should check that with Eodwine first.

Bêthberry, we had the back door blocked off by fallen rubble to make it so the window had to be used.

Folwren · 04-04-2006, 09:27 AM

Thornden's busy at the moment, but he might have time to help you in a bit, Kath.

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I have taken time to think on my character and try to find something to challenge me. I've come up with a young boy who is found in less than a healthy condition near the Mead Hall. As it's afternoon now, I don't want to clutter the story too much, so I've set it ahead of time. I've got my first post to be around the early morning of the next day. I'll hold off untill that point in the time frame.

I don't know who will find him, so it's anyone who volunteers! :P - Taralphiel

Oh, I like that I idea. I think it would be fun to find him, so I would like to be a volunteer unless someone else wants to. My character is Thornden, who's a fairly large chap, though for the most part he's quiet, kind, and gentle, so he'll be nice to your little, less than healthy boy.

I am trying to get a post written, but if I don't have it up before Alcarillo gets back to post his - go ahead and put it up, Alcarillo.

-- Folwren

JennyHallu · 04-04-2006, 10:01 AM

Anyone who wishes is free to approach Lin or Marenil, but Lin is not likely to notice anyone until they're right up on her, and then she'll probably jump. Just FYI.

Taralphiel · 04-04-2006, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Folwren

Oh, I like that I idea. I think it would be fun to find him, so I would like to be a volunteer unless someone else wants to. My character is Thornden, who's a fairly large chap, though for the most part he's quiet, kind, and gentle, so he'll be nice to your little, less than healthy boy.

-- Folwren

Ah, thank you very much! Wherever you like, I can position him so you run into (or over..) him. If you want more detail, I can send you my post in a PM, or you can wait for it to be put up on the thread. Up to you entirely

*coughs herself* Maybe that Emergency Room will be a must, as there'll be a new patient arriving soon :P

Tara

JennyHallu · 04-04-2006, 08:05 PM

As I have received the go-ahead from lmp, this is the floor plan of the Mead Hall. If you do not have a room marked, choose one by number and post it here. I will go back and edit the original plan to reflect your room choice. Notice that the rooms upstairs are generally larger than those down (and therefore probably cost a bit more when the building was an Inn), and think about the location of the room when you select one.

I didn't know if anyone shared a room.

All rooms have at least one window outdoors, or at least they will when Neal helps me turn this into an elevation drawing.

littlemanpoet · 04-04-2006, 08:08 PM

I think I'm guilty of having read a character's mind and then included it as if Saeryn had heard Larswic say it. I'm referring to the words I put in Saeryn's mouth regarding Larswic not being happy about his new lord. I have had really no time to take a careful look at much, working 11 hours a day this week (subbing for my sup), so could someone tell me if I did indeed goof that way?

So at the midafternoon point, we have this, I think:

Eodwine, Falco, and Saeryn going to see the new stoneshaper character with the broken down wagon wheel. Celuien, I'll wait for you to post next for this.

I'm not sure what Degas is up to, but I suppose he can be along with Eodwine and Falco and Saeryn.

Thornden, Gárwine, Æðel, and Léof are in the stable, the latter's foot being examined.

Kara, Linduial, and Marinel are in the backyard, looking after the fire and meal, and Larswic is wandering about, not too far from them.

Frodides and Ruthven are in Kara's room (still unassigned).

Jenny has produced a two great floor plans that I'm quite happy with, and I expect her to post them or link them to hear soon. One is of the entirety, the second is of the guest quarters, with some rooms assigned.

Did I account for everyone (what a crew!)?

Oh yeah. Gudryn. Sigh. Esgal has not been about lately. I'm thinking about sending her off to be tutored by Gedd of Edoras, allowing her to pop in whenever Esgal's around, and her bopping away whenever she isn't..... hmmmm.....

JennyHallu · 04-04-2006, 08:20 PM

Look up, lmp. Already there.

Alcarillo · 04-04-2006, 08:31 PM

Cool map.

But it's different than I imagined it. The stables (in my mind) were where the great hall should be, and vice versa. I imagined the residential wing to be one long, L-shaped hallway on two sides of the kitchen/great hall block, with rooms on one side and doors to the k/gh on the other. And the stables were somehow connected to the building.

By the way, Gárwine will take Room #6.

And also, which direction is north?

Celuien · 04-04-2006, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

Eodwine, Falco, and Saeryn going to see the new stoneshaper character with the broken down wagon wheel. Celuien, I'll wait for you to post next for this.

Okay. Will be up soon...

littlemanpoet · 04-05-2006, 03:02 AM

North is back of the kitchen. South is the front door. The stables are west. The idea is that the White Mountains are behind the mead hall, and it looks out over the plain (if it has a clear view, which is by no means a given). I haven't thought about what's "across the street".

JennyHallu · 04-04-2006, 09:24 AM

In my post I specified that the chimney had collapsed, blocking the back door. It was probably nowhere near as thorough blocked as the Hall door, and the girls could probably have gotten through it with a little work, but Lin had an idea in her head, and it involved getting Frodides out before the men noticed.

We've been referring to a courtyard for quite some time. I haven't put anything fancy on my plan (no formal garden or anything), just what is probably a packed dirt yard between the main hall and the stables: space for a traveler to pull in their cart and unhitch their horses before turning them over to Lèof. This is also where I assumed the temporary tent hall stood. Just basically a little open space to accomodate arrivals and departures in what I always pictured as a pretty tightly-packed city. Does that fit, Bethberry?

Thanks for the info on wattle-and-daub. That will really help when it comes to texturing the walls in a real drawing.

04-04-2006, 09:14 AM	#1
Bêthberry Cryptic Aura Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 6,003	There always was a back doorway to the kitchen, folks. No one had to come through the baroom window. As for barbeques, shish-kebabs (or shashliks) got their start as raw meat skewered on sword blades and thrust into campfires, in a culture famed for its horsemanship. Then again, an outdoor oven could be built. And there never was a courtyard. That was always too fancy for an inn. But Eodwine might want one now. The walls of the old Horse were not all wood, although rough hewn timber provided the framework. Here's info on wattle and daub construction and Saxon buildings and Saxon Village Reconstructed . If this repeats info LMP** provided earlier, I apologise. I shifted back three pages here and couldn't find any building links. __________________ I’ll sing his roots off. I’ll sing a wind up and blow leaf and branch away.

04-04-2006, 09:19 AM	#2
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	Right so if Kara went and found Thornden and Degas they could build this outdoor oven and get things working? Guess I should check that with Eodwine first. Bêthberry, we had the back door blocked off by fallen rubble to make it so the window had to be used. __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”

04-04-2006, 10:01 AM	#4
JennyHallu The Pearl, The Lily Maid Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In my luxury Barrow, snuggled up in a pile of satin pillows, eating fresh fruit. Posts: 1,628	Anyone who wishes is free to approach Lin or Marenil, but Lin is not likely to notice anyone until they're right up on her, and then she'll probably jump. Just FYI. __________________ <=== Lookee, lookee, lots of IM handles!

04-04-2006, 08:08 PM	#7
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	I think I'm guilty of having read a character's mind and then included it as if Saeryn had heard Larswic say it. I'm referring to the words I put in Saeryn's mouth regarding Larswic not being happy about his new lord. I have had really no time to take a careful look at much, working 11 hours a day this week (subbing for my sup), so could someone tell me if I did indeed goof that way? So at the midafternoon point, we have this, I think: Eodwine, Falco, and Saeryn going to see the new stoneshaper character with the broken down wagon wheel. Celuien, I'll wait for you to post next for this. I'm not sure what Degas is up to, but I suppose he can be along with Eodwine and Falco and Saeryn. Thornden, Gárwine, Æðel, and Léof are in the stable, the latter's foot being examined. Kara, Linduial, and Marinel are in the backyard, looking after the fire and meal, and Larswic is wandering about, not too far from them. Frodides and Ruthven are in Kara's room (still unassigned). Jenny has produced a two great floor plans that I'm quite happy with, and I expect her to post them or link them to hear soon. One is of the entirety, the second is of the guest quarters, with some rooms assigned. Did I account for everyone (what a crew!)? Oh yeah. Gudryn. Sigh. Esgal has not been about lately. I'm thinking about sending her off to be tutored by Gedd of Edoras, allowing her to pop in whenever Esgal's around, and her bopping away whenever she isn't..... hmmmm..... Last edited by littlemanpoet; 04-04-2006 at 08:19 PM.

04-04-2006, 08:20 PM	#8
JennyHallu The Pearl, The Lily Maid Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In my luxury Barrow, snuggled up in a pile of satin pillows, eating fresh fruit. Posts: 1,628	Look up, lmp. Already there. __________________ <=== Lookee, lookee, lots of IM handles!

04-04-2006, 08:05 PM	#6
JennyHallu The Pearl, The Lily Maid Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In my luxury Barrow, snuggled up in a pile of satin pillows, eating fresh fruit. Posts: 1,628	Drum roll please... As I have received the go-ahead from lmp, this is the floor plan of the Mead Hall. If you do not have a room marked, choose one by number and post it here. I will go back and edit the original plan to reflect your room choice. Notice that the rooms upstairs are generally larger than those down (and therefore probably cost a bit more when the building was an Inn), and think about the location of the room when you select one. I didn't know if anyone shared a room. All rooms have at least one window outdoors, or at least they will when Neal helps me turn this into an elevation drawing. __________________ <=== Lookee, lookee, lots of IM handles!

04-04-2006, 08:31 PM	#9
Alcarillo Shadow of the Past Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Minas Mor-go Posts: 1,007	Cool map. But it's different than I imagined it. The stables (in my mind) were where the great hall should be, and vice versa. I imagined the residential wing to be one long, L-shaped hallway on two sides of the kitchen/great hall block, with rooms on one side and doors to the k/gh on the other. And the stables were somehow connected to the building. By the way, Gárwine will take Room #6. And also, which direction is north?

04-05-2006, 03:02 AM	#11
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	North is back of the kitchen. South is the front door. The stables are west. The idea is that the White Mountains are behind the mead hall, and it looks out over the plain (if it has a clear view, which is by no means a given). I haven't thought about what's "across the street".

04-04-2006, 09:24 AM	#12
JennyHallu The Pearl, The Lily Maid Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In my luxury Barrow, snuggled up in a pile of satin pillows, eating fresh fruit. Posts: 1,628	In my post I specified that the chimney had collapsed, blocking the back door. It was probably nowhere near as thorough blocked as the Hall door, and the girls could probably have gotten through it with a little work, but Lin had an idea in her head, and it involved getting Frodides out before the men noticed. We've been referring to a courtyard for quite some time. I haven't put anything fancy on my plan (no formal garden or anything), just what is probably a packed dirt yard between the main hall and the stables: space for a traveler to pull in their cart and unhitch their horses before turning them over to Lèof. This is also where I assumed the temporary tent hall stood. Just basically a little open space to accomodate arrivals and departures in what I always pictured as a pretty tightly-packed city. Does that fit, Bethberry? Thanks for the info on wattle-and-daub. That will really help when it comes to texturing the walls in a real drawing. __________________ <=== Lookee, lookee, lots of IM handles!