Tol-in-Gaurhoth (Isle of Werewolves)

[Glirdan]

Yes, I agree that the WW flood has quieted down, but that was not the sole purpose of the idea when it first came up. It was for those who felt intimidated by the more experienced players. It's also another way for those who didn't make a game and wanted to, to be in another one. I's a place where people can practice their writing before trying it out here. It's a place for new ideas to pop as well. In all honesty, the Junior games are rather convenient for us, even if the flood has slowed down. So my vote is to keep for the reasons I've stated earlier as well as the fact that I started it and I should get a say in it after having it going for so long.

[Diamond18]

This is kind of an important matter to me because of course I'm modding the next WWJ game and I should like to know where that stands when I do. To elaborate a little on what I posted before --

It does seem rather slow, currently, when a senior game is having trouble reaching 15 players. But, right now some of us (me, Nog/Thin, and Sam) all have definite plans percolating for games, and I don't really like the idea of just preemptively putting the kibosh on all three of our games. I suppose we could be translated to the Senior queue to wait after the three (I think?) games in planning here. However I think that should only be done if it proves impossible to get any players for our games while there are Senior games in the works. Because if some still like the idea of a Junior game, I think it can still be handled, albeit with a slower recuiting phase.

So, unless there is really strong objection I still plan on recruiting for my game after Valier's ends. I'd like to see what kind of response I get before I give up. It seemed to me that enough people signed up for Mith and Val's games within a decent time period, so perhaps this slowness for Farael's really is due to a temporary situation like finals, etc.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Well, as the cat is out of the bag, I might say a few things as well. It's been proved that 'newbie' players can be as talented and contribute as much as those with more games under their belt - and hey, it's one of the best ways to learn to be thrown in a group with more experienced people who can teach you. I think the atmosphere in the games has been rather welcoming, so at least there shouldn't be a reason why newcomers would have to be intimidated in 'adult' WWs.

Having two games going on simultaneously has led to a situation where a player, after his or her death in one game, joins another while the first one is still unfinished. I think there was a rule that a player can't be in two games at the same time, and this said situation seems like stretching the rule. Not that it would be a horrible thing to break a rule, per se, but one of the consequences of it is that if everyone who has died in a WW game go and join a WWJ while the first game is still going on, there won't be enough people willing to play when the recruiting for a new WW game starts.

I agree with Mithalwen that smaller games are welcome, but I can't see why there couldn't be a 'normal' WW game of approx. 13-15 players.

However, when summer comes, people will probably have more time to play, and there might be enough people for two simultaneous games...

[Cailín]

I agree with Spawn.

I need add no more. Except that I will be too busy to commit to any game for a while.

[Kath]

I wonder if the lack of commital for Farael's game is due in part to those who want to join lmp's and know that it will be a huge undertaking whatever the role. If the next game in line were simple and not as demanding I think the sign up rate would be higher.

I also think that the WWJ games should continue, as quite often they are the simpler version and allow people like Mith who can't commit to a long name or newbies who aren't confident enough to join a senior game to play.

If we had just the one game there would be people unable to join due to number limits, and if you died first Night and it was a long game that leaves a pretty long gap before you're able to play again, if you are able to play again straight away bearing in mind there may be a queue of those who didn't get in last time and you may feel it unfair to shove them out again.

[Nogrod]

I agree with Kath, and several others. We probably should maintain parallel games, but we should also pay heed for their timing. So not beginning the games simultaneously but preferably overlapping each other, so that the early drop-outs, really wanting to play, could recruit to the other game, and overall, people would have choice to which game they might want to commit themselves.

That said, I would also like to see the TiG games be more complicated / larger etc. as the TigJ games. So there would be something like a basic-game area for newbies like me (and those who just love the basic game), and then the "advanced" game. That should of course not be anything formal or restrictive in any way, not to talk of making grounds for any normative judgements about the betterness of one over the other.

So if Farael's game starts in a few days, I guess Diamond should start recruiting people en suite, but start the real game only after Farael's game is drawing to the end - as is happening now in relation to Valier's TigJ game and Farael's TiG game.

PS. What is the queuing situation in the TiG? In TigJ there are three games on the list: Diamond, Samwise, Nogrod & Thinlomien. If there are no reservations in the TiG after LMP, I think we (me & Lommy) could change our game from TiGJ list to TiG -thread after LMP?

[Kath]

Woah there Nogrod. I'm after lmp.

[Diamond18]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

So if Farael's game starts in a few days, I guess Diamond should start recruiting people en suite, but start the real game only after Farael's game is drawing to the end - as is happening now in relation to Valier's TigJ game and Farael's TiG game.

That's how I was planning it. Then while my game is being played, LMP's game would be getting recruits, and as my game finished LMP's game would start, etc. This might not please some who don't like the idea of playing in a game right on the heels of another game, but I think that should be a personal desicion made on their parts rather than something forced on everyone. I don't really see how signing up for a game right after you've been killed bends the rule of not playing in more than one at a time. When you're dead you can't post, you can't PM, you can't play. You're decidedly not in the game.

PS. What is the queuing situation in the TiG? In TigJ there are three games on the list: Diamond, Samwise, Nogrod & Thinlomien. If there are no reservations in the TiG after LMP, I think we (me & Lommy) could change our game from TiGJ list to TiG -thread after LMP?

I think Kath is after LMP.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Diamond18

This might not please some who don't like the idea of playing in a game right on the heels of another game, but I think that should be a personal desicion made on their parts rather than something forced on everyone. I don't really see how signing up for a game right after you've been killed bends the rule of not playing in more than one at a time. When you're dead you can't post, you can't PM, you can't play.

I totally agree with Diamond about this (being a person who would like to have played for the last week or so, but were killed the first night by some werecats, and have from that on just waited for the next one to start - which frustratingly hasn't moved a bit forwards, not to say begun...).

I understand, that you can't be wholeheartedly in two games simultaneously. That's a good argument, but I guess you could be Gil-Galad, Gandalf or Alcarillo in ten games at the same time... But that's another problem.