Tol-in-Gaurhoth XX: Wereorc I: The elves cannot hide themselves much longer.

[Roa_Aoife]

Naria, could you explain something for me-

Originally Posted by Naria

I also agree that the Orcs could very well use that to their advantage and clean out the village one by one.

Originally Posted by Naria

There is no way that the orcs could benefit from those open revelations,

What are you trying to say?

[Sleepy Ranger]

Oh dear me, somebody set us up a bomb! Ahem, well I don't have much time today. But I'll say this- WereOrc Hunting. Serious Business.

My vote on Day 1 shall be random, in fact I think I may go with a safe vote. Hopefully this time round I shan't be lynched/eaten on the first Day/Night. Lets have a good game folks. *Eats an apple.*

[Caranlondien]

Originally Posted by Roa

Naria, could you explain something for me-

What are you trying to say?

I think Naria only said the first quote - the second was Nogrod.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Poor Farael! We shall find those Orcs and avenge his death. That said, I'll get down to business.


Many have expressed their opinion about the dreams. I trust that people can make their own minds how to act if they receive a dream, but I'd like to say one thing.

Originally Posted by Celuien

Actually, though, it might not be a bad idea for each of us to find some way of leaving obscure hints so that if someone receives a dream and dies before being able to reveal it, there's still some way of picking up on what was known.

Rather than leaving "obscure hints", I'd prefer having reasoned cases. I believe that once we recover from the shock, everyone starts accusing, suspecting and defending other villagers. It is easier to hide a dream into a good case since there will be so many of them around anyway (I hope) that the orcs can't tell which one of the arguments is based on a dream. And if the orcs should kill the one who had the dream, we shall see easily, whom that person dreamed of.

Okay, this post is just to let you know that I finally got here. More later once I've reread everything.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by dancing spawn of ungoliant

And if the orcs should kill the one who had the dream, we shall see easily, whom that person dreamed of.

No! On the contrary: we shall never know, that that person had the dream in the first place! You can't come back from behind the grave to announce, that "btw. I was one who had a dream!". So the dream is completely wasted - and we don't even have the "seer-archives", to give us help on the later date... Believe me: I have really been worried about this disadvantage we have here.

And Jenny: I might be narrowing down the chances for the orcs (hadn't thought of that), but also narrowing the scope for the seer! But I admit, not knowing, which one of these is the heavier thing.

But from a somewhat different reason, I say my plan is a flawed one, and badly. So let's forget it for now...

The reason is as follows. At least a good seer (don't know, how a good shaman would do) would try to find out first about the most experienced and "best" players. If we that way openly reveal them as innocents, then wolves killing them do not look suspicious - even if those people would have hit right before their nightly deaths. So we risk our best villagers by following my plan. Not good.

But that said, this looks quite grim: we will be wasting a lot of dreams and therefore, kind of play without a seer (except if the dream is on an orc, when of course every decent villager voices that out loud and clear).

[Celuien]

Originally Posted by spawn

Rather than leaving "obscure hints", I'd prefer having reasoned cases. I believe that once we recover from the shock, everyone starts accusing, suspecting and defending other villagers. It is easier to hide a dream into a good case since there will be so many of them around anyway (I hope) that the orcs can't tell which one of the arguments is based on a dream. And if the orcs should kill the one who had the dream, we shall see easily, whom that person dreamed of.

Good point. I really haven't decided what I'll do should I be fortunate enough to be granted a dream.

Not a whole lot of time to post right now. So far, as usual, most of you are looking completely innocent to me. I have a couple of theories, but not enough to post on now, as I haven't enough time to review and attempt to build a case at this point. And there are a few more villagers I'd like to hear more from first.

Oh, and I retract my random triad silliness from earlier. Derned illuminator never did work properly.

[Naria]

Roa, I said that because it's true. They will pick us off one by one and someone coming forth and saying so and so is an ordo(for sure) or worse a gifted will definitely ensure that person's death. And yes the orcs will pick us off one by one regardless, but I think that someone saying someone is an ordo will just help the orcs a little too much for my liking.

That being said, I agree that we should just drop this for the time being and concentrate on finding us some Orcsies.

The second quote was not mine, sorry.


PS: My computer is going in for servicing right away, but I will try my best to get on a computer somewhere and vote before the Day's end.

[Kitanna]

Day ends in a couple of hours, does it not? Or am I just really messed up timewise?
Well in any case I don't have a whole lot to add. Since my first post I see little that would lead me to be overly suspicious of anyone.

A lot was said on the dreams and it appears everyone has reached a consensus about not revealing the dreams as they come.
Plenty of in character comments, but that's not much to go on.
Nogrod continues to push for the revealing of dreams in post 28.
Sleepy has openly proclaimed a random vote. Not that random voting is bad, but I just wish he'd wait before making such a declaration. A lot can happen from the beginning and end of the day. I suppose it just irks me when a declaration like that is made without the actual vote being in the same post. Meh, but that's just me.
Norgrod continues to his defense of the shaman dreams in post 34. You seem to stand alone on this Nogrod. In a regular seer situation you'd never tell the seer to come forward like you would with the shaman dreams. I say treat each dreamer like a seer and let them come forward from their own judgement. And with that I hope this will be the last time I give my opinion on the subject today.
Spawn has given her thoughts on various villagers and what she has said made sense to me, though I'm not so sure I agree with it all. But those she mentioned (Roa and Diamond mostly) deserve some looking at.

EDIT: So that's most of the major points since I last came on. It is not really much to go on. Most posts have revealed little and been quite unhelpful.

[Caranlondien]

Originally Posted by Celuien

Good point. I really haven't decided what I'll do should I be fortunate enough to be granted a dream.

Nor have I, and it's something I've been giving a lot of thought to. But the only conclusion I can come to is that if and when I dream about someone, my plan of action will depend on a variety of factors - how far into the game, who I dream about, and what I find out about them.

Nice work, Dancing Spawn, on the analysis so far. I'll be looking at those people, but, of course, it's early on, and there are some people we haven't even really heard from yet. I'm still in the stage where I don't have any well-founded suspicions, so instead I just suspect everyone...

EDIT: cross-posted with Kitanna

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Thanks, Nogrod, that's right, of course, although the Shaman knows whom s/he dreamed of, and therefore should be able to use that kind of information, too, but that's not probably the most relevant subject toDay.

I'll leave the of talk of tactics and move on to doing something else, like commenting on other villagers' behaviour, for example. A couple of things have caught my attention. It is Day 1, yes, but we have to start from something, so...


- Diamond18. She has spoken relatively much, but most of it is occupation-based chatting. Is she a wereorc trying to make her presence clear by posting "fun nonsense in character" to make it clear that she's not flying under the radar because that's what is usually considered suspicious?

- Roa_Aoife. Another villager who's posted a lot - not that it would be a crime, on the contrary. The thing that made me feel uneasy about her was her subtle way to excuse random voting.

I personally don't like random voting- I like to vote for whoever is the most suspicious to me on any given day, no matter how marginal that suspicion is. If, however, you get to the end of today and are completely lost, by all means vote randomly. It's better to make a random vote than not vote at all.

Of course everyone should vote for the one they find the most suspicious. I don't think that pulling a name out of a hat and voting for the one that got unlucky helps the village much. People can have strong suspicions or just a feeling about a villager, but it's better to vote with a reason, no matter how silly it is, than to excuse oneself from all responsibility and vote 'randomly' for someone.

Another thing that I wonder is, why Roa wanted to take the time to answer Jenny's accusation of her. She, according to herself, just quickly popped in to check the situation while other business demanded her attention, and still she wrote something to defend her although the accusation seemed to be just normal Day 1 chatting.

Originally Posted by Roa

Well, yeah, but what does that have to with wereorcs?

- Findëasëa. She has made only one post, in which she settled for telling that there are three wereorcs in the village and Farael is dead. Well, she did agree with a dream issue, but she didn't say why. Where are her own thoughts? Since she appears to be a new arrival, I won't pursue this matter further toDay, though.

- Sleepy Ranger. Serious business, you say? You don't seem to be taking it very seriously...