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Nogrod · 04-14-2006, 05:40 PM

Celuien!

If you do the Glirdan vote, I'll go for the overall suspicions - innocence -claims. It could be interesting to see how they went (and as there seems to be very little to say, as no one else is around).

Celuien · 04-14-2006, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

Celuien!

If you do the Glirdan vote, I'll go for the overall suspicions - innocence -claims. It could be interesting to see how they went (and as there seems to be very little to say, as no one else is around).

Heh. My turn to have crossposted.

Sounds like a good plan.

Roa_Aoife · 04-14-2006, 05:54 PM

w00t! Go Mr./Ms. Ranger! Excellent choice.

I don't know how long I'l be in, but as Celuien is doing the Glirdan analysis, and Nogrod is checking accusations vs defense, I'll do the Diamond Bandwagon. Sound good?

Edit: Cross posted with last two posts.

Nogrod · 04-14-2006, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

Nogrod is checking accusations vs defense, I'll do the Diamond Bandwagon. Sound good?

I thought of finding out only, who suspected who, and who thought who innocent. I might not have time for the defences - even though they might really be interesting. Maybe someone else could look at them?

But good plan Roa! There might be something in this Diamond-lynching fever...

Celuien · 04-14-2006, 06:07 PM

Roa:
#5: Says Orcs are horrid and filthy (yep). Thinks dreams are interesting because they protect the Shaman and help the village act as a team, but might also be misleading. (another yep).
#11: Agrees with Caran that revealing dreams is up to the discretion of the villager to receive the dreams. Suggests moving on to day 1 strategies, since there is the chance to catch an orc from the start, also says a random vote is better than none, then urges discussion so we won’t need random votes.
#16: Responds to Jenny’s accusation of looking too innocent by asking with the accusation has to do with wereorcs.
#29: Asks Naria to explain contradictory statements (Orcs using dreams to their advantage and also having no way to benefit from them) after mistakenly attributing the second statement (Nogrod’s) to her.
#41: Apology to Naria, explains nonsense response to Jenny from #16 after being questioned about it by Spawn.
#47: Suspects Diamond and Glirdan: Diamond for lack of substance and Glirdan for being capable of more than restating others’ opinions, but only posting restatements. Votes for Glirdan, citing suspicions and time constraints.
#70: Tells everyone to ignore Sleepy’s campaign for votes, saying he’s going for a killed on day/night 1 record.
#75: Says Diamond may not last the day, points out she was leading in votes.
#77: Vote count, again points out Diamond is the most likely lynchee.
#80: Warning to get votes in before deadline.
#92: Says analysis is hard work (response to Diamond’s doubts about the usefulness of analysis).

Roa appears to have contributed to the discussion yesterday, particularly about the Shaman dream issue. Spawn found her suspicious (and voted for her) based on 1) subtle excuse of random voting (#11) and 2) responding to Jenny's joking accusation. I agree that those things are somewhat suspicious, especially with regard to random voting, since her post on that topic wavered back and forth a little. But, weighed against the rest of her contributions, it doesn't look too bad. Overall, I'd say Roa is mostly innocent appearing.

What, you thought all five would be in this post? Sorry. I don't type that fast.

Findëasëa next...

Celuien · 04-14-2006, 06:16 PM

Findëasëa:
#24: Typical day 1 stuff about the village being in trouble, in character, etc. Agrees that dreams shouldn’t be revealed daily. (Well, I can’t disagree here, that being my position and all.)
#56: Votes Glirdan, citing little substance in posts and his being random/having a lack of posts.

Not much to go on here with only two posts. I find it somewhat incongruous to accuse Glirdy based on lack of posting/content while having so few posts herself. But, I’m hesitant to accuse her because this could just as easily be newness as anything else. In fact, it's probably more likely due to newness, but I still don't like it.

I’ll wait for futher developments from her before saying more on the issue.

On to Diamond…

Roa_Aoife · 04-14-2006, 06:23 PM

Celuien
1st post - Beginning nonsense, sees flaws in Nogrod's plans. Says that revealing dreams will allow orcs to pick off innocents. Thinks we ought to hold back on revelations till there are enough to make it matter. Suggests leaving hints in event of a dream.
2nd - Responds to Nogrod, says a day by day reveal won't help much. Restates that hints would have to be vague.
3rd - Running analysis, lists current non-posters, nonsense accusations arise.
4th - Expresses hate of Day 1
5th - Responds to Spawn, thinks Spawn is innocent
6th - Votes Diamond, says she's too agreeable and chit-chatty. Thinks that Nogrod, Caran, Spawn, Kitanna, and Caran seem particularly unsuspicious. Gives time to non-posters, wants to watch Glirdan, and will come back to look at Roa, Sleepy and Naria. Wants to hear from Zali.
7th - Quotes Sleepy, wonders about regretting vote for Diamond.
8th - Says Sleepy is impersonating Nilp. Responds to Jenny suspicion of Nogrod.
9th - Starts to feel bad about Diamond Vote
10th - Says she's trying to get LIS's attention

If anything, Celuien stays consistent in what she says, and offers a lot of helpful posts. Her sudden and somewhat late defense of Nogrod sends up red flags, mostly because it looks like a team play, or an Orc attempting to ally with an innocent. (I generally distrust anyone who seems too convinced of someone else's innocence.) She truly seems to regret voting for Diamond, which seems particularly un-orcish to me. Over all, I'd say she looks less suspicious and more helpful for now.

Naria · 04-14-2006, 06:22 PM

Yay!! Great job Ranger!

Btw, I am truly sorry about missing the vote. I thought I was going to be able to get to a computer before the deadline, but by the time that person was home it was too late.

Now back to more important issues. I have not found anyone in particular to be overly suspicious of as of yet. I will have to go back and read everything that was said including the stuff I missed. I will be back shortly.

JennyHallu · 04-14-2006, 06:15 PM

Yay! We're all still here!!!

Although...I almost wish we did know who the wolves had gone after...might have given us some good hints. Awaiting your analysis with interest, Celuien.

Hubby's got me playing computer games, though, so I won't be getting any analyses of my own right now.

04-14-2006, 05:54 PM	#3
Roa_Aoife Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Someday, I'll rule all of it. Posts: 1,696	w00t! Go Mr./Ms. Ranger! Excellent choice. I don't know how long I'l be in, but as Celuien is doing the Glirdan analysis, and Nogrod is checking accusations vs defense, I'll do the Diamond Bandwagon. Sound good? Edit: Cross posted with last two posts. __________________ We can't all be Roas* when it comes to analysing...* -Lommy I didn't say you're evil, Roa, I said you're exasperating. -Nerwen

04-14-2006, 06:16 PM	#6
Celuien Riveting Ribbiter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Assigned to Mordor Posts: 1,767	Findëasëa: #24: Typical day 1 stuff about the village being in trouble, in character, etc. Agrees that dreams shouldn’t be revealed daily. (Well, I can’t disagree here, that being my position and all.) #56: Votes Glirdan, citing little substance in posts and his being random/having a lack of posts. Not much to go on here with only two posts. I find it somewhat incongruous to accuse Glirdy based on lack of posting/content while having so few posts herself. But, I’m hesitant to accuse her because this could just as easily be newness as anything else. In fact, it's probably more likely due to newness, but I still don't like it. I’ll wait for futher developments from her before saying more on the issue. On to Diamond… __________________ People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect. But actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff. Last edited by Celuien; 04-14-2006 at 06:16 PM. Reason: Crossed with Jenny

04-14-2006, 05:40 PM	#1
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Celuien! If you do the Glirdan vote, I'll go for the overall suspicions - innocence -claims. It could be interesting to see how they went (and as there seems to be very little to say, as no one else is around). __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

04-14-2006, 06:07 PM	#5
Celuien Riveting Ribbiter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Assigned to Mordor Posts: 1,767	Roa: #5: Says Orcs are horrid and filthy (yep). Thinks dreams are interesting because they protect the Shaman and help the village act as a team, but might also be misleading. (another yep). #11: Agrees with Caran that revealing dreams is up to the discretion of the villager to receive the dreams. Suggests moving on to day 1 strategies, since there is the chance to catch an orc from the start, also says a random vote is better than none, then urges discussion so we won’t need random votes. #16: Responds to Jenny’s accusation of looking too innocent by asking with the accusation has to do with wereorcs. #29: Asks Naria to explain contradictory statements (Orcs using dreams to their advantage and also having no way to benefit from them) after mistakenly attributing the second statement (Nogrod’s) to her. #41: Apology to Naria, explains nonsense response to Jenny from #16 after being questioned about it by Spawn. #47: Suspects Diamond and Glirdan: Diamond for lack of substance and Glirdan for being capable of more than restating others’ opinions, but only posting restatements. Votes for Glirdan, citing suspicions and time constraints. #70: Tells everyone to ignore Sleepy’s campaign for votes, saying he’s going for a killed on day/night 1 record. #75: Says Diamond may not last the day, points out she was leading in votes. #77: Vote count, again points out Diamond is the most likely lynchee. #80: Warning to get votes in before deadline. #92: Says analysis is hard work (response to Diamond’s doubts about the usefulness of analysis). Roa appears to have contributed to the discussion yesterday, particularly about the Shaman dream issue. Spawn found her suspicious (and voted for her) based on 1) subtle excuse of random voting (#11) and 2) responding to Jenny's joking accusation. I agree that those things are somewhat suspicious, especially with regard to random voting, since her post on that topic wavered back and forth a little. But, weighed against the rest of her contributions, it doesn't look too bad. Overall, I'd say Roa is mostly innocent appearing. What, you thought all five would be in this post? Sorry. I don't type that fast. Findëasëa next... __________________ People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect. But actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff.

04-14-2006, 06:23 PM	#7
Roa_Aoife Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Someday, I'll rule all of it. Posts: 1,696	Celuien 1st post - Beginning nonsense, sees flaws in Nogrod's plans. Says that revealing dreams will allow orcs to pick off innocents. Thinks we ought to hold back on revelations till there are enough to make it matter. Suggests leaving hints in event of a dream. 2nd - Responds to Nogrod, says a day by day reveal won't help much. Restates that hints would have to be vague. 3rd - Running analysis, lists current non-posters, nonsense accusations arise. 4th - Expresses hate of Day 1 5th - Responds to Spawn, thinks Spawn is innocent 6th - Votes Diamond, says she's too agreeable and chit-chatty. Thinks that Nogrod, Caran, Spawn, Kitanna, and Caran seem particularly unsuspicious. Gives time to non-posters, wants to watch Glirdan, and will come back to look at Roa, Sleepy and Naria. Wants to hear from Zali. 7th - Quotes Sleepy, wonders about regretting vote for Diamond. 8th - Says Sleepy is impersonating Nilp. Responds to Jenny suspicion of Nogrod. 9th - Starts to feel bad about Diamond Vote 10th - Says she's trying to get LIS's attention If anything, Celuien stays consistent in what she says, and offers a lot of helpful posts. Her sudden and somewhat late defense of Nogrod sends up red flags, mostly because it looks like a team play, or an Orc attempting to ally with an innocent. (I generally distrust anyone who seems too convinced of someone else's innocence.) She truly seems to regret voting for Diamond, which seems particularly un-orcish to me. Over all, I'd say she looks less suspicious and more helpful for now. __________________ We can't all be Roas* when it comes to analysing...* -Lommy I didn't say you're evil, Roa, I said you're exasperating. -Nerwen

04-14-2006, 06:22 PM	#8
Naria Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 500	Yay!! Great job Ranger! Btw, I am truly sorry about missing the vote. I thought I was going to be able to get to a computer before the deadline, but by the time that person was home it was too late. Now back to more important issues. I have not found anyone in particular to be overly suspicious of as of yet. I will have to go back and read everything that was said including the stuff I missed. I will be back shortly.

04-14-2006, 06:15 PM	#9
JennyHallu The Pearl, The Lily Maid Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In my luxury Barrow, snuggled up in a pile of satin pillows, eating fresh fruit. Posts: 1,628	Yay! We're all still here!!! Although...I almost wish we did know who the wolves had gone after...might have given us some good hints. Awaiting your analysis with interest, Celuien. Hubby's got me playing computer games, though, so I won't be getting any analyses of my own right now. __________________ <=== Lookee, lookee, lots of IM handles!