WWJ VIII ~ Things That Go "Quack" In The Night - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Mithalwen · 04-25-2006, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

Based on this, I have moved Nogrod and SPM to the top of my list. As well as Mith- she's not being her usually thoughful self.

Give me a chance girl!!!!I did all I could in the time available. Now at least I have something to look at. And I refer you to this post .

mormegil · 04-25-2006, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Anguirel

Incidentally, morm's back on form, but I still suspect him. He has made a possibility that the Goose will employ this ruse into a certainty. He has ensured that the Owl will not be believed till they deliver results. Hmm.

Ang, Ang, Ang, you are not only obtuse and circumlocutious but you are also instransigent yet it all adds to your individual charm. All I did was point out something in advance to the owl so that he/she wouldn't fall for a ploy that may be employed by the goose. Now the goose may be reticent to employ said tactic. So I saved our owl from making a grevious error, perhaps and helped to stultify a ploy that could have been effective; yet all in all I can see why you'd think I'm still suspicious. So by all means carry on and keep reaching for that rainbow.

Valier · 04-25-2006, 11:42 AM

Well I have read through and I noticed that Nogrod,SPM,Roa and Ang are all going at it. I know in most *ahem* games Nogrod is always the first to urge awareness of the gifted and Roa normally has something to say about it. SPM I have not played alot with ,but I am pretty sure this is how he plays. and Ang...well he normally gets killed fairly quickly. First day analysising is useless for me...so I won't do it. It is nice to see a loud village though for once. I say we look at the quiet ones who tend to slip below the radar for most of the game and not lynch our loud and multiple talkers.

Anguirel · 04-25-2006, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Cailin

I shall definitely not vote Dancing Spawn -even though she is a nasty smelly orc- or Anguirel toDay, since they will probably be attacked toNight anyway.

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Originally Posted by Valier

and Ang...well he normally gets killed fairly quickly.

It's always nice to know you're loved...

Valier · 04-25-2006, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Ang

It's always nice to know you're loved...

I didn't say I was the one who kills you....ya ok I guess I love ya...(unless your a duck!)

Mithalwen · 04-25-2006, 12:18 PM

Traditionally, I have tended to find first and early posting suspicious but this theory has been less reliable of late and I seem to recall that Glirdan, Morm and Valier have posted early before without proving guilty. In anycase these are "I'm here posts" . Unremarkable so far but we are only an hour in.

More interesting is Cailín stating so early who she is not voting for. this could be a hint at giftedness or a duck-trick or a bluff or nothing. Since only the ducks are a gang of three to name two others would be a bold move for a wolf. However the Owl and the Hawk/Nightingale Alliance/Combo/Whatever to avoid creeping out the Saucepan Orc (!), with the use of what I regarded as a neutral term "league", know about one other so to name two might be a fudge. However it seems a clumsy and premature tactic. I don't know Cailín much from personal experience but she has the reputation which suggests greater sophistication. So this is a puzzle which perhaps will become clearer. At this stage I am very much just tossing balls in the air and seeing what happens.

Ang makes the first attempt address the situation seriously. That is a mark in his favour but I must not be prejudiced by my fondness for Mozartian opera -Hopsassa! As a birdcatcher he could prove useful unless he has developed webbed feet

Slightly puzzled by his reference to the words about the seer?

Then follows a lot of stating of the obvious regarding the conditions (again understandable - I rather think my first post counts as such)...

and Nilp's self vote.

For now I will take this as an honourable route if it is the only participation possible. I don't know if he makes a habit of this but I shall not necessarily be always so lenient. Non-participation makes life so difficult for the true villagers and often plays into the hands of the "three".

Long and insubstantial post from SpM followed by a short but pertinent one by Kath. I seem to remember SpM being Mr- Strategy- and- Plans in previous times.... seems a bit off ..... especially since he goes after Nogrod who could be seen as picking up on Lalaith's sensible suggestion to discuss general strategy.

I am going to break up this post since there have been quite a lot of posts since I started this and there may well be more profitable ways to spend my time. Especially since you have more time to read through the posts for yourselves than I have to decide my vote.

Anguirel · 04-25-2006, 12:31 PM

Mith, the bit that puzzled you was a bad Malbeth gag...

JennyHallu · 04-25-2006, 12:37 PM

And the final villager checks in. Incorporeally, of course, as it is just too much of a hassle to climb down from my mountaintop. Great view from up here, though.

I've read over the current loquacity, and I'm going to think some things through before voting later tonight.

But a few quick points: Val, in a village this size (truly the largest I have ever overseen), I'm not sure if we can call the ultra-loudness of a mere 4 villagers a loud village.

Roa right now disturbs me a bit. I am used to seeing her careful and thoughtful, and she seems to have thrown caution to the wind, picking little arguments with people on everything but who the ducks might be, and drawing all our attention to the question of why she's being so aggressive. I don't think she's a duck, because I see an evil Roa as even more cautious than usual, but this ultra-aggressiveness is worrisome, especially with a Goose about.

Noggie, dear...you're beating a dead horse again. Unlike many of the villagers, I am so used to seeing you take a hardline position day 1 and argue about it until the village loses its collective hearing, that I tend, at this point, to trust in your innocence. I look forward to seeing you settle into your more helpful late-game persona.

Frankly, I'd like to hear more from most of the village (As I'm sure they'd like to hear from me).

Nogrod · 04-25-2006, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JennyHallu

Noggie, dear...you're beating a dead horse again. Unlike many of the villagers, I am so used to seeing you take a hardline position day 1 and argue about it until the village loses its collective hearing, that I tend, at this point, to trust in your innocence. I look forward to seeing you settle into your more helpful late-game persona.

Well, well. "A dear"? So where is the wind blowing now from? As you have mainly being a werecreature on our games, and never been kind to me, maybe you are innocent now?

But yeah. One has to do, what one sees best the first day, and then on the second, and so on... And it seems to be a bit different on other days than day1. So if I'm alive, rest assured...

Mithalwen · 04-25-2006, 01:31 PM

I'm tired, hormonal, my blood sugar is crashing and I want to go home and eat and if noone is talking I may as well. Has anyone got else anything to say before I vote?

Nogrod · 04-25-2006, 01:52 PM

As the kind of European vote is getting nearer, we should try to get some things going... (We probably have two large voting cycles with these "deadlines")

I just watched out for a totally different thing from what we have mainly been discussing about - and possibly insignificant, as there is time still - but anyhow.

Untill now:

Glirdy has posted twice, saying nothing (the first posts of the day, so can't blame him on that)

Nilp has made only a self-vote.

Kath has made one "catching the rainbow -thing and explained the past of her, Morm & Sauce.

Sleepy has posted once, saying he will vote randomly.

Elu has posted once, just checking in.

Lalaith has posted twice, being very careful not to say much of this or that.

Jenny & Valier have posted little, but taken some stances...

The others, I think, have posted somewhat decently.

But as I said, there is time still...

Mithalwen · 04-25-2006, 02:29 PM

Ah Nogrod, dear, we must stop meeting like this!!!

Well I must vote shortly or I won't be in a fit state for anything.

OK I am disregarding for now anyone who hasn't posted a lot or at all eg Nilp, Lote, Elu, Sleepy, Jenny, Glirdan. This is the major disadvantage of the timezone thing in that they may come and post a shed load of interesting stuff the moment I have gone. If they don't well there is time to wait and see if there is a suspicious pattern. Also there is a chance that the ducks would pick on a quiet or silent innocent for tonights victim as it will give us few clues.

Lalaith and Cailin (apart from the odd statement I pointed out earlier) seem to be posting sensibly - can't judge if they are behaving normally.

Valier and Morm.... seem OK so far from what I know of them on what I have read so far and Nogrod is definitely his usual self. If he is pullling that trick as a first time wolf then he is playing a blinder.

Ang, not worrying me yet but he has fooled me before ... then everyone fools me - I have picked a wolf once since game 1 and then I had a choice of 2

I did pick a "cobbler" though and the same person is worrying me again for the same reasons. It worries me when peopel I know aren't stupid act stupidly. Saucepanman isn't ringing true to me. Neither is Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant yes they are the people who picked on me. But you see I know I am innocent so the fact that 2 people who said (in posts 12 and 16) that we should make serious efforts to find the ducks find me suspicious for a fine semantic distinction and my habitually excessive punctuation creep me out.

Roa I forgive because she has also supected the SpOrc.... Ok one last look then I vote.

NB cross posted with everything since Nogrod's 65. ALso I haven't totally forgiven Roa...

04-25-2006, 11:42 AM	#3
Valier Twisted Taleswapper Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: somewhere between sanity and insanity Posts: 1,706	Well I have read through and I noticed that Nogrod,SPM,Roa and Ang are all going at it. I know in most ahem games Nogrod is always the first to urge awareness of the gifted and Roa normally has something to say about it. SPM I have not played alot with ,but I am pretty sure this is how he plays. and Ang...well he normally gets killed fairly quickly. First day analysising is useless for me...so I won't do it. It is nice to see a loud village though for once. I say we look at the quiet ones who tend to slip below the radar for most of the game and not lynch our loud and multiple talkers. __________________ grand return?........

04-25-2006, 12:18 PM	#6
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Time for more substance..... Traditionally, I have tended to find first and early posting suspicious but this theory has been less reliable of late and I seem to recall that Glirdan, Morm and Valier have posted early before without proving guilty. In anycase these are "I'm here posts" . Unremarkable so far but we are only an hour in. More interesting is Cailín stating so early who she is not voting for. this could be a hint at giftedness or a duck-trick or a bluff or nothing. Since only the ducks are a gang of three to name two others would be a bold move for a wolf. However the Owl and the Hawk/Nightingale Alliance/Combo/Whatever to avoid creeping out the Saucepan Orc (!), with the use of what I regarded as a neutral term "league", know about one other so to name two might be a fudge. However it seems a clumsy and premature tactic. I don't know Cailín much from personal experience but she has the reputation which suggests greater sophistication. So this is a puzzle which perhaps will become clearer. At this stage I am very much just tossing balls in the air and seeing what happens. Ang makes the first attempt address the situation seriously. That is a mark in his favour but I must not be prejudiced by my fondness for Mozartian opera -Hopsassa! As a birdcatcher he could prove useful unless he has developed webbed feet Slightly puzzled by his reference to the words about the seer? Then follows a lot of stating of the obvious regarding the conditions (again understandable - I rather think my first post counts as such)... and Nilp's self vote. For now I will take this as an honourable route if it is the only participation possible. I don't know if he makes a habit of this but I shall not necessarily be always so lenient. Non-participation makes life so difficult for the true villagers and often plays into the hands of the "three". Long and insubstantial post from SpM followed by a short but pertinent one by Kath. I seem to remember SpM being Mr- Strategy- and- Plans in previous times.... seems a bit off ..... especially since he goes after Nogrod who could be seen as picking up on Lalaith's sensible suggestion to discuss general strategy. I am going to break up this post since there have been quite a lot of posts since I started this and there may well be more profitable ways to spend my time. Especially since you have more time to read through the posts for yourselves than I have to decide my vote. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

04-25-2006, 12:31 PM	#7
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	Mith, the bit that puzzled you was a bad Malbeth gag... __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

04-25-2006, 12:37 PM	#8
JennyHallu The Pearl, The Lily Maid Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In my luxury Barrow, snuggled up in a pile of satin pillows, eating fresh fruit. Posts: 1,628	And the final villager checks in. Incorporeally, of course, as it is just too much of a hassle to climb down from my mountaintop. Great view from up here, though. I've read over the current loquacity, and I'm going to think some things through before voting later tonight. But a few quick points: Val, in a village this size (truly the largest I have ever overseen), I'm not sure if we can call the ultra-loudness of a mere 4 villagers a loud village. Roa right now disturbs me a bit. I am used to seeing her careful and thoughtful, and she seems to have thrown caution to the wind, picking little arguments with people on everything but who the ducks might be, and drawing all our attention to the question of why she's being so aggressive. I don't think she's a duck, because I see an evil Roa as even more cautious than usual, but this ultra-aggressiveness is worrisome, especially with a Goose about. Noggie, dear...you're beating a dead horse again. Unlike many of the villagers, I am so used to seeing you take a hardline position day 1 and argue about it until the village loses its collective hearing, that I tend, at this point, to trust in your innocence. I look forward to seeing you settle into your more helpful late-game persona. Frankly, I'd like to hear more from most of the village (As I'm sure they'd like to hear from me). __________________ <=== Lookee, lookee, lots of IM handles!

04-25-2006, 01:31 PM	#10
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	I'm tired, hormonal, my blood sugar is crashing and I want to go home and eat and if noone is talking I may as well. Has anyone got else anything to say before I vote? __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

04-25-2006, 01:52 PM	#11
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	As the kind of European vote is getting nearer, we should try to get some things going... (We probably have two large voting cycles with these "deadlines") I just watched out for a totally different thing from what we have mainly been discussing about - and possibly insignificant, as there is time still - but anyhow. Untill now: Glirdy has posted twice, saying nothing (the first posts of the day, so can't blame him on that) Nilp has made only a self-vote. Kath has made one "catching the rainbow -thing and explained the past of her, Morm & Sauce. Sleepy has posted once, saying he will vote randomly. Elu has posted once, just checking in. Lalaith has posted twice, being very careful not to say much of this or that. Jenny & Valier have posted little, but taken some stances... The others, I think, have posted somewhat decently. But as I said, there is time still... __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

04-25-2006, 02:29 PM	#12
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Ah Nogrod, dear, we must stop meeting like this!!! Well I must vote shortly or I won't be in a fit state for anything. OK I am disregarding for now anyone who hasn't posted a lot or at all eg Nilp, Lote, Elu, Sleepy, Jenny, Glirdan. This is the major disadvantage of the timezone thing in that they may come and post a shed load of interesting stuff the moment I have gone. If they don't well there is time to wait and see if there is a suspicious pattern. Also there is a chance that the ducks would pick on a quiet or silent innocent for tonights victim as it will give us few clues. Lalaith and Cailin (apart from the odd statement I pointed out earlier) seem to be posting sensibly - can't judge if they are behaving normally. Valier and Morm.... seem OK so far from what I know of them on what I have read so far and Nogrod is definitely his usual self. If he is pullling that trick as a first time wolf then he is playing a blinder. Ang, not worrying me yet but he has fooled me before ... then everyone fools me - I have picked a wolf once since game 1 and then I had a choice of 2 I did pick a "cobbler" though and the same person is worrying me again for the same reasons. It worries me when peopel I know aren't stupid act stupidly. Saucepanman isn't ringing true to me. Neither is Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant yes they are the people who picked on me. But you see I know I am innocent so the fact that 2 people who said (in posts 12 and 16) that we should make serious efforts to find the ducks find me suspicious for a fine semantic distinction and my habitually excessive punctuation creep me out. Roa I forgive because she has also supected the SpOrc.... Ok one last look then I vote. NB cross posted with everything since Nogrod's 65. ALso I haven't totally forgiven Roa... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace