Island of Sorrow Planning/Discussion Thread

[Envinyatar]

the Smith, an essentially good-hearted but rather eccentric spirit who has been instructed by a mysterious female voice (coughbitterDivinercough) to "gather six pupils"...

Hmmm . . . well I probably misread your intent . . . working here in the dark and all . . .

But I thought perhaps we needed a flesh and blood sort of character to draw the group in. They are certainly not going to traffic with any more spirits, at least willingly. They would run back through the dark corridor, I should think - at least Orëmir would (and drag his brother back to boot)

I saw the Dwarven smith as a natural -- the Dwarves did do work for the Elves and being of a greedy nature, this Master Smith (or son of a son of a son of) who is good-hearted, but a bit eccentric in spirit (as I misunderstood it, apparently) could have been corrupted by the Diviner ah wel . . .

It was a short post, I'd be happy to change it . . . just let me know . . .

[Anguirel]

I don't necessarily see why they'd flee from all spirits on principle. Idrahil didn't double-cross them, nor the earlier guard-captain; good spirits about even with the Diviner and Ingir, malign elvish spirits.

But are you actually making the Master-Smith a Dwarf? This I'd really rather avoid. I listed him earlier with Elven coavaltar the Orcs feared, I've had him chanting an elvish incantation of Curufin's, and I also have him down in the background as being the tutor in smithying of Lindir...he's definitely a Noldo elf.

After my original pedantic, petty villain Diviner was turned-to great effect-into a sort of menacing goddess figure, like Jadis or Dark!Galadriel, I think I'd rather keep this Smith's race as I envisaged it, I'm afraid.

I'm perfectly happy, though, for you to encounter Dwarves, possibly even ones who know of and trust the Smith, unintentionally luring you into his tutelage and clutches. It might be a jolly and refreshing interlude in a small Dwarf cavern with a family of three or four, all that remains of the Naugrim workers. A nice calm before the storm haven moment. Would that be alright? I increasingly think it might be rather fun. Only I'd rather not take on these Dwarves myself, since I already have the Smith-who would like to play them? Would you, Envinyatur?

Tonight I'll take Malris and Tasa on the next stage of their journey and get them to the shore of the underground lake.

[Envinyatar]

I think I'll just rewrite my post - sans Dwarves.

Let me see what I can do.

[Anguirel]

A bit more about the Master Smith.

I had originally intended him as a way of giving Lindir and Child in particular a chance for fun and games-as I'd had him down as Lindir's mentor.

However, since Child's already had to handle the Diviner sub-plot, perhaps she'd prefer if he had some connection to the twins instead? Just a thought.

If we stick to the scheme then he will enroll you all as students but with Lindir as definite Teacher's Pet, mulling over old times. He will not use the Silver Fetters until he is utterly forced-they are a precaution he does not expect to need, though he assuredly eventually will. I think a bit of willing interaction might be interesting at first, but when you realise you're not allowed to leave...

As for his appearance-I was thinking he should look fully corporeal while working. If he stops working or puts his tools down for any reason he vanishes. Aside from that, typical black hair, grey eyes, tall height, broad shoulders, etc.

[Child of the 7th Age]

However, since Child's already had to handle the Diviner sub-plot, perhaps she'd prefer if he had some connection to the twins instead? Just a thought.

I am flexible and can go either way on this. Whatever you decide is fine. Do remember though that Lindir has not done any metalwork for thousands of years--not since he was involved in the crafting of the lesser rings and was at least an observer in terms of the creation of the ruling Ring. (Lindir has had definite second thoughts about what happened in those years, which accounts for the fact that he has worked as a scout rather than a craftsman.)

I am not sure his mentor will be terribly happy when he learns that his pupil has turned his back on the craft. In fact, he may be downright angry!

Interestingly, Lindir has occasionally thought in this story about getting his hand back into his craft again. But the particular character you've set in front of us may/will give the poor fellow serious second thoughts. It seems those Noldor Elves who are caught up in the urge to create often are a bit off base and leave one with serious doubts about their ability to see right from wrong.

Just let me know how you decide to go with this. I have been tied up with other things, but my schedule has opened up. I'll look over the game tomorrow.

[Anguirel]

Pio-excellent initiative taken, but I have to pull you up a bit. Nelyafinwe is Maedhros' own father-name. The Smith was announcing his continued loyalty to Maedhros, not introducing himself. So we'll have to find another name for the Smith...I'll produce one if you like.

Other than that...brilliant!

[piosenniel]

Edit done . . .