The Ring of Saruman? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Rhod the Red · 05-05-2006, 08:11 AM

First you say no, then maybe? Lol, untie yourself comrade!

Thinlómien · 05-05-2006, 08:15 AM

I think we have a problem of definition here. You say, that any ring with magic abilities is a ring of power. (Right?) I use the name ring of power only for really significant items, such as the 19 rings made by the elf smiths and the One Ring.

My theory about Saruman's ring, however, is that it was a lesser ring with little magical power, or it was only a status symbol, or that it was a creation of Saruman, who had tried to create a powerful item (and probably failed by the way).

Rhod the Red · 05-05-2006, 08:17 AM

It was a ring of power, period, in my view. Whether o not it was equal to the originals, does it matter?

Thinlómien · 05-05-2006, 08:23 AM

As a matter of definition would you call the lesser rings the elf smiths made rings of power?

Rhod the Red · 05-05-2006, 08:28 AM

Yes.

Thinlómien · 05-05-2006, 08:30 AM

Then we're arguing over definitions.

I'm only wondering, that if Saruman's ring had power, what did it do?

obloquy · 05-05-2006, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Then we're arguing over definitions.

I'm only wondering, that if Saruman's ring had power, what did it do?

No, that's not what you're wondering. Surely not. Because if you were wondering what power Saruman's ring might have had, surely you'd have the sense to read the thread you're posting in.

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I think the Ring of Saruman is what gave him the ability to produce Orcs, etc. How else can they be produced?

In games like the Battle for Middle-Earth they're produced from a pit.

How might it have done that? A little packet of Orc mix included?

narfforc · 05-05-2006, 08:43 AM

Saruman studied the craft of Ring-making for a long period in an attempt gain inner knowledge of The One and Sauron. The Ring of Saruman may well of been the first step towards creating his own Ring of Power, as with the lesser rings of the elves (Essays in the craft). There is no reason why a wizard of the order of Saruman would require to make and wear Bling, he calls himself Ring-maker and not jewel-smith. Even if the ring had the same power as Bilbo's magic cuff-links, it therefore had some power. It is either a ring of no power or some power, it may not be as one of the rings that the elves made, but does that stop others from doing exactly the same thing the elves did to make theirs.

05-05-2006, 08:11 AM	#1
Rhod the Red Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 257	First you say no, then maybe? Lol, untie yourself comrade! __________________ Head of the Fifth Order of the Istari Tenure: Fourth Age(Year 1) - Present Currently operating in Melbourne, Australia

05-05-2006, 08:15 AM	#2
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	I think we have a problem of definition here. You say, that any ring with magic abilities is a ring of power. (Right?) I use the name ring of power only for really significant items, such as the 19 rings made by the elf smiths and the One Ring. My theory about Saruman's ring, however, is that it was a lesser ring with little magical power, or it was only a status symbol, or that it was a creation of Saruman, who had tried to create a powerful item (and probably failed by the way). __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

05-05-2006, 08:17 AM	#3
Rhod the Red Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 257	It was a ring of power, period, in my view. Whether o not it was equal to the originals, does it matter? __________________ Head of the Fifth Order of the Istari Tenure: Fourth Age(Year 1) - Present Currently operating in Melbourne, Australia

05-05-2006, 08:23 AM	#4
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	As a matter of definition would you call the lesser rings the elf smiths made rings of power? __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

05-05-2006, 08:28 AM	#5
Rhod the Red Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 257	Yes. __________________ Head of the Fifth Order of the Istari Tenure: Fourth Age(Year 1) - Present Currently operating in Melbourne, Australia

05-05-2006, 08:30 AM	#6
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Then we're arguing over definitions. I'm only wondering, that if Saruman's ring had power, what did it do? __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

05-05-2006, 08:43 AM	#8
narfforc Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Muddy-earth Posts: 1,297	Saruman studied the craft of Ring-making for a long period in an attempt gain inner knowledge of The One and Sauron. The Ring of Saruman may well of been the first step towards creating his own Ring of Power, as with the lesser rings of the elves (Essays in the craft). There is no reason why a wizard of the order of Saruman would require to make and wear Bling, he calls himself Ring-maker and not jewel-smith. Even if the ring had the same power as Bilbo's magic cuff-links, it therefore had some power. It is either a ring of no power or some power, it may not be as one of the rings that the elves made, but does that stop others from doing exactly the same thing the elves did to make theirs. __________________ [B]THE LORD OF THE GRINS:THE ONE PARODY....A PARODY BETTER THAN THE RINGS OF POWER.