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Old 05-12-2006, 07:44 AM   #1
Rhod the Red
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Rhod the Red is still gossiping in the Green Dragon.
"Bilbo and company found themselves at the business end of a few rocks hurled by Stone Giants as they crossed the Misty Mountains, and Gandalf considered the possibility of borrowing one such rock to stop up the entrance to Goblin-Town. Or are you suggesting (as has been suggested before) that the Stone Giants were a product of Bilbo's fertile imagination?"

I'm sorry, I forgot that part. Though giants aren't mentioned to my memory in The Hobbit afterwars nor in The Lord of the Rings.

"I would suggest that you tone down your aggressive style as it is not conducive to reasoned discussion." I would hardly call my style aggressive. I was responsing to a point of view with contrary arguments. If I have used rude words, you will note, to use Legolas' favourite phrase, the Admin. have not edited my posts. Reasoned discissuon has not been halted by me, nor will it.
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Old 05-12-2006, 08:25 AM   #2
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I would hardly call my style aggressive. I was responsing to a point of view with contrary arguments. If I have used rude words, you will note, to use Legolas' favourite phrase, the Admin. have not edited my posts. Reasoned discissuon has not been halted by me, nor will it.
Your posts have not been edited or deleted as we are a fairly tolerant lot here on the Downs. And, while tendentious, they do not quite qualify as trollish behaviour. Nevertheless, I would regard calling a fellow poster a liar and describing their comments as nonsense as being fairly aggressive, if not downright offensive. While there is ample room for disagreement on these discussion boards, such disagreement is best expressed politely and civilly. So please, take heed.

And I trust that’s an end to this little off-topic diversion.
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Old 05-12-2006, 08:26 AM   #3
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Selmo and Formendacil make good arguments
about a Rhun route being questionable, but what about a
sea route to the area of Andrast using an elf ship?
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Old 05-12-2006, 08:31 AM   #4
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"what about a sea route to the area of Andrast using an elf ship"

I have a reason why: It would mean that as the Fellowship would approach Mordor, it would be near the battle-centers bewteen Gondor and Mordor. It would not have been safe.

Crossing through the Misty Mountains, while hoping that Gondor would receive the brunt of Sauron's forces, was safer than travelling by the sea on the Southern shores of Gondor.
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Old 05-12-2006, 09:13 AM   #5
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Elrond rules out taking the Ring to Cirdan at the Grey Havens because it would be too dangerous. Frodo and the rest had only just made it to Rivendell and taking the Western Road back through the Shire to the sea would be anticipated by the Enemy; the road would be watched. Elrond was answering the argument that the Ring should by taken by sea to The West but it works the same for an attempt to go to Gondor by sea.

Also, Gandalf seemed to think it was very important to pass though Lorien, though he never gave his reasons.

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Old 05-12-2006, 09:39 AM   #6
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'That I feared it too,' Aragorn answered, `but less than other things. I knew the risk of snow, though it seldom falls heavily so far south, save high up in the mountains. But we are not high yet; we are still far down, where the paths are usually open all the winter.'
Aragorn says the risk of snow lessens in the south, and at lower altitudes. Therefore it can be logically deduced that risk of snow is greater in the north, and at higher altitudes. I wouldn't call that nonsense or speculation - it is inference.

It is illogical to think that Gandalf, Aragorn, the Fellowship, or the Council of Elrond were not thinking of risks. The whole route is planned for speed and avoiding danger as much as possible (which is why they don't go further south by the Gap of Rohan). Aragorn uses the word "risk" in the comment at the top of this post.
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